{"id":1222,"date":"2023-12-26T12:53:31","date_gmt":"2023-12-26T12:53:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1222"},"modified":"2024-02-19T22:18:47","modified_gmt":"2024-02-19T22:18:47","slug":"024-jon-hathaway","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/024-jon-hathaway\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 024 &#8211; Jon Hathaway"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #24<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of green infrastructure, opening a \u2018can of worms\u2019 and gaining control of watersheds<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Jon Hathaway<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>February 20th, 2024<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xCRZiXbC_HU?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><em><strong>\u201c&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><strong>Bioretention, I always call it in my classes, the \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of stormwater management&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Jon Hathaway, \u2026.Associate Professor in sustainable urban water management, green infrastructure and urban pollutants at the University of Tennessee Knoxville, USA. Jon completed his Bachelor in Environmental Engineering in 2002 as well as his Masters and PhD in Biological and Agricultural Engineering in 2005 and 2010 at North Caroline State University. He has a passion for natural systems, from wetlands to bioretention and other green infrastructure and has been refining their design and implementation for stormwater management and combatting climate change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Jon and I discuss and compare notes on the practice of green infrastructure in the United States of America and across the world. We not only cover technological aspects including the so-called \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of green infrastructure, but also current challenges in regulations across the US. In stepping up to the challenge of climate change, we also discuss how to better harness green infrastructure\u2019s interconnectivity in watersheds through smarter design and control.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"260\" height=\"260\" data-attachment-id=\"1223\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/024-jon-hathaway\/jon_hathaway_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?fit=260%2C260&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"260,260\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?fit=260%2C260&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?fit=260%2C260&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?resize=260%2C260&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1223\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?w=260&amp;ssl=1 260w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Jon_Hathaway_Profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 260px) 100vw, 260px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Jon M. Hathaway is an Associate Professor in the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville. He obtained his Bachelor in Civil, Construction and Environmental Engineering at the University of North Carolina in 2002 followed by his Masters and PhD in Biological and Agricultural Engineering (Masters with a minor in soil science) in 2005 and 2010 respectively. Jon\u2019s research interests include urban pollutant fate and transport, green infrastructure and low impact development. He delves into anthropogenic influences on the environment, innovative monitoring instrumentation and broad topics around stormwater and coupled human and natural systems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jon has published over 70 scientific articles around his research interest and is active in the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) as well as the International Water Association\u2019s Joint Committee on Urban Drainage (JCUD). He has supervised a large number of PhD and Masters students during his career and serves as committee member on a number of boards across the US, solidifying a long-standing working relationship not only within Academia but also with the stormwater practice in the United States. His current research has amassed over 10 million US$ in funding to embark on projects that will improve stormwater management not only in the US, but also globally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-jon-hathaway'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Jon+Hathaway&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-jon-hathaway&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Travel and biking<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A quick rundown of <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lonelyplanet.com\/articles\/things-to-know-before-traveling-to-usa\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">US travel tips<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fs.usda.gov\/recarea\/nfsnc\/recarea\/?recid=48114\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pisgah National Park<\/a><\/strong>, North Carolina (also has biking trails)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.railtrails.org.au\/trails\/?trail_state%5B%5D=78\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Victorian Rail Trails and other Australian rail trails<\/a><\/strong> for biking<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.zuerich.com\/en\/visit\/bike-trails-in-zurich\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Biking trails<\/strong><\/a> around Zurich, Switzerland<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cIf I could draw better, I would be an architect\u201d &#8211; I\u2019ve had this discussion in depth on <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/002-scott-lloyd\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"617\">Episode 2 with Scott Lloyd<\/a><\/strong> and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/023-markus-vogl\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1213\">Episode 23 with Markus Vogl<\/a><\/strong> of the show<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What are <strong>constructed wetlands<\/strong>? [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/wetlands\/constructed-wetlands\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">USEPA<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.melbournewater.com.au\/building-and-works\/developer-guides-and-resources\/standards-and-specifications\/constructed-wetlands\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Melbourne Water<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Who is <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bae.ncsu.edu\/people\/wfhunt\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bill Hunt<\/a><\/strong>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Green Infrastructure terminology<\/strong> debate\u2026 there are three good papers I would recommend!\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Fletcher, T.D., Shuster, W., Hunt, W.F., Ashley, R., Butler, D., Arthur, S., Trowsdale, S., Barraud, S., Semadeni-Davies, A., Bertrand-Krajewski, J.L. and Mikkelsen, P.S., 2015. SUDS, LID, BMPs, WSUD and more\u2013The evolution and application of terminology surrounding urban drainage.&nbsp;<em>Urban water journal<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>12<\/em>(7), pp.525-542. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1080\/1573062X.2014.916314\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Ruangpan, L., Vojinovic, Z., Di Sabatino, S., Leo, L.S., Capobianco, V., Oen, A.M., McClain, M.E. and Lopez-Gunn, E., 2020. Nature-based solutions for hydro-meteorological risk reduction: a state-of-the-art review of the research area.&nbsp;<em>Natural Hazards and Earth System Sciences<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>20<\/em>(1), pp.243-270. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5194\/nhess-20-243-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Matsler, A.M., Meerow, S., Mell, I.C. and Pavao-Zuckerman, M.A., 2021. A \u2018green\u2019chameleon: Exploring the many disciplinary definitions, goals, and forms of \u201cgreen infrastructure\u201d.&nbsp;<em>Landscape and Urban Planning<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>214<\/em>, p.104145. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.landurbplan.2021.104145\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.notion.so\/A-AREAS-ce42dd4ff0d74985a4abfa5c5329f31d?pvs=21\">Low Impact Development<\/a>, as detailed by the USEPA<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We reference the discussion on terminology in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/021-danielle-dagenais\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1205\">Episode 21 with Danielle Dagenais<\/a><\/strong>, one of the authors of the famous terminology paper that Jon mentions. You can check out her episode for a deeper journey into the \u2018rabbit hole\u2019.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Jon\u2019s early work on <strong>swine lagoon seepage<\/strong>, treating groundwater contaminated by agriculture\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>The Simpson Movie<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/XPG0MqIcby8?si=BNGWsy0nKY-ZV4iW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Trailer Link<\/a>] &#8211; funny take on the big issue of swine waste<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Cook, M.J., <strong>Hathaway, J.M.<\/strong> and Evans, R.O., 2008. The impact of swine lagoon seepage on shallow groundwater quality: Groundwater remediation through lagoon closure and pumping.&nbsp;<em>Transactions of the ASABE<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>51<\/em>(3), pp.891-900. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.13031\/2013.24528\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Jon\u2019s work on <strong>microbial water quality<\/strong> in green infrastructure and <strong>bioretention systems<\/strong> &#8211; the \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of green infrastructure\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Hathaway, J.M.,<\/strong> Hunt, W.F. and Jadlocki, S., 2009. Indicator bacteria removal in storm-water best management practices in Charlotte, North Carolina.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Environmental Engineering<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>135<\/em>(12), pp.1275-1285. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1061\/(ASCE)IR.1943-4774.0000378\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Hathaway, J.M.<\/strong> and Hunt, W.F., 2011. Evaluation of first flush for indicator bacteria and total suspended solids in urban stormwater runoff.&nbsp;<em>Water, Air, &amp; Soil Pollution<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>217<\/em>, pp.135-147. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1007\/s11270-010-0574-y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Hathaway, J.M.<\/strong>, Brown, R.A., Fu, J.S. and Hunt, W.F., 2014. Bioretention function under climate change scenarios in North Carolina, USA.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Hydrology<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>519<\/em>, pp.503-511. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jhydrol.2014.07.037\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/David_McCarthy_(academic)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">David McCarthy<\/a><\/strong> and his work on microbial water quality and removing bacteria and pathogens from stormwater runoff<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>More about the impact of <strong>tyre wear particles<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.admin.ch\/gov\/en\/start\/documentation\/media-releases.msg-id-100009.html#:~:text=In%20Switzerland%2C%20tire%20wear%20accounts,and%20released%20into%20the%20environment.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>] and a recent Swiss report on it being the largest source of microplastics\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Switzerland\u2019s SABAs (\u201dStreet Wastewater Treatment Facilities\u201d) &#8211; a version of a bioretention system [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.astra.admin.ch\/astra\/de\/home\/themen\/nationalstrassen\/baustellen\/bern-wallis\/abgeschlossene-projekte\/a1-a12-strassenabwasser-behandlungsanlagen--saba-\/strassenabwasser-behandlungsanlagen--saba-.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link in German<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Backyard GI:<\/strong> Mason, L.R., Ellis, K.N. and <strong>Hathaway, J.M.,<\/strong> 2019. Urban flooding, social equity, and \u201cbackyard\u201d green infrastructure: An area for multidisciplinary practice.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Community Practice<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>27<\/em>(3-4), pp.334-350. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1080\/10705422.2019.1655125\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Stormwater Maintenance<\/strong> in the US, useful links:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.asce.org\/education-and-events\/events\/meetings\/operations---maintenance-of-stormwater-control-measures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Operations and Maintenance of Stormwater Control Measures Conference<\/a> by the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Nashville\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nashville.gov\/departments\/water\/stormwater\/pollution-prevention\/stormwater-control-measures\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Stormwater Control Measures<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cleanwaterprofessionals.org\/docs\/Metro_Nashville_SCM_Program.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Maintenance and Inspection Program<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Regulations in the US around stormwater\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The <strong>Clean Water Act<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/laws-regulations\/summary-clean-water-act#:~:text=The%20Clean%20Water%20Act%20(CWA,quality%20standards%20for%20surface%20waters.)\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/laws-regulations\/summary-clean-water-act#:~:text=The%20Clean%20Water%20Act%20(CWA,quality%20standards%20for%20surface%20waters.)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">USEPA<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Clean_Water_Act\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>United States Environmental Protection Agency<\/strong><\/a> (USEPA)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Tennessee\u2019s recent regulations incentivizing volume reduction [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/content\/dam\/tn\/environment\/water\/water-based-systems-unit\/wr_wq_stormwater-tn-perm-sw-mgmt-design-guide-manual-ch2-2016rev.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>2021 Tennessee Floods<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.notion.so\/Unity-3D-Dev-Wiki-4e2ba9304de247d2855b2917e0d7f9dc?pvs=21\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The challenge of climate change on green infrastructure and stormwater management\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Weathers, M., <strong>Hathaway, J.M.,<\/strong> Tirpak, R.A. and Khojandi, A., 2023. Evaluating the impact of climate change on future bioretention performance across the contiguous United States.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Hydrology<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>616<\/em>, p.128771. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jhydrol.2022.128771\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An example of a multi-functional playground that buffers floods [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/public-leaders-network\/2015\/feb\/11\/childrens-playground-rotterdam-flooding-climate-proof\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>For those who are not entirely sure of imperial units\u2026\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1 foot = 30.48 cm<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A rain of 20 inches = 508 mm<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some initial work on <strong>monitoring and control in GI<\/strong> that Jon has been undertaking\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Persaud, P.P., Akin, A.A., Kerkez, B., McCarthy, D.T. and <strong>Hathaway, J.M.,<\/strong> 2019. Real time control schemes for improving water quality from bioretention cells.&nbsp;<em>Blue-Green Systems<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>1<\/em>(1), pp.55-71. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.2166\/bgs.2019.924\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Huff, J., Watts, J., Khojandi, A. and <strong>Hathaway, J.,<\/strong> 2023, April. Deep Temporal Neural Networks for Water Level Predictions of Watershed Systems. In&nbsp;<em>2023 Systems and Information Engineering Design Symposium (SIEDS)<\/em>&nbsp;(pp. 108-113). IEEE. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1109\/SIEDS58326.2023.10137869\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Persaud, P.P., <strong>Hathaway, J.M.,<\/strong> Kerkez, B. and McCarthy, D.T., 2024. Real-Time Control and Bioretention: Implications for Hydrology.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Sustainable Water in the Built Environment<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>10<\/em>(1), p.04023011. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1061\/JSWBAY.SWENG-527\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bill Hunt is a key person that inspired Jon to do what he does, likewise Ana Deletic inspired me and recorded a very memorable show with me. Check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/009-ana-deletic\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"789\">Ana Deletic on Episode 9<\/a><\/strong> of the podcast to hear her journey<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The academic headache of grant writing and acquisition as well as the emergence of imposter syndrome [<a href=\"https:\/\/graduate.asu.edu\/graduate-insider\/best-practice-developing-resilience-and-overcoming-imposter-syndrome#:~:text=For%20many%20graduate%20students%2C%20imposter,t%20deserve%20to%20be%20there.)\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/graduate.asu.edu\/graduate-insider\/best-practice-developing-resilience-and-overcoming-imposter-syndrome#:~:text=For%20many%20graduate%20students%2C%20imposter,t%20deserve%20to%20be%20there.)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">A useful article<\/a>]. I also had a deeper discussion with <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/012-liah-coggins\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"869\">Liah Coggins on Episode 12<\/a><\/strong> about imposter syndrome, you can check out her episode for more reflection on this.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The importance of stupidity in scientific research:<\/strong> Schwartz, M.A., 2008. The importance of stupidity in scientific research.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Cell Science<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>121<\/em>(11), pp.1771-1771. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1242\/jcs.033340\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro, US Travel and Mountainbiking<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>5:33 Jon\u2019s interest in natural systems<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>8:18 Exposure to green stormwater infrastructure<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>12:04 Green infrastructure terminology<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>17:11 Early work on swine lagoon seepage treatment<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>19:50 Bioretention &#8211; the \u201cSwiss Army Knife\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>22:19 Indicator bacteria, pathogens and other pollutants<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>27:14 Interdisciplinary collaboration<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>30:26 Backyard GI and stormwater asset maintenance<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>36:39 Origins of GI? and implications for other places<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>39:37 Bioretention, rain gardens, or biofiltration<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>42:00 Regulations in the US around stormwater<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>48:05 Impact of climate change on GI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>54:53 Monitoring and control of GI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:03:28 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:03:43 What inspires you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:06:18 Key event, person, book<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:07:36 Biggest challenge in career to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:10:47 If you had a magic wand?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:13:15 Time management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:14:44 Advice for young researchers<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:16:58 Where can people reach you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:17:35 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:19:01 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Jon Hathaway<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jonmhathaway\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LinkedIn<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/cee.utk.edu\/people\/jon-hathaway\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">University of Tennessee Profile Page<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/hathaway.utk.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jon\u2019s Group\u2019s Page<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/scientific-contributions\/Jon-M-Hathaway-59054041\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ResearchGate<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=5UKMQqkAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Google Scholar<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related 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465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/021-danielle-dagenais\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1205\">Episode #21 &#8211; Danielle Dagenais<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>The paradox of nature \u2013 process and parts and its implications for green infrastructure<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: green infrastructure; terminology; stormwater)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #24 The \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of green infrastructure, opening a \u2018can of worms\u2019 and gaining control of watersheds Guest: Jon Hathaway February 20th, 2024 Episode Teaser Introduction \u201c&#8230;Bioretention, I always call it in my classes, the \u2018Swiss Army Knife\u2019 of stormwater management&#8230;\u201d Jon Hathaway, \u2026.Associate<span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/024-jon-hathaway\/\">Continue 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