{"id":1316,"date":"2024-02-12T18:34:29","date_gmt":"2024-02-12T18:34:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1316"},"modified":"2024-05-27T18:41:23","modified_gmt":"2024-05-27T18:41:23","slug":"025-shubber-ali","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/025-shubber-ali\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 025 &#8211; Shubber Ali"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #25<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Your garden, the &#8216;field of dreams&#8217; for tackling the twin crises of climate change and artificial intelligence<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Shubber Ali<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>March 5th, 2024<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/frvcTFq92Q4?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><em><strong>\u201c&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><strong>I&#8217;m a big believer in&#8230; you have to understand the root cause of a problem and not put a bandaid on a bullet hole!&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Shubber Ali is the CEO of Garden for Wildlife, a spin-out from the National Wildlife Federation in the US with a mission to restore biodiversity starting from people\u2019s own gardens. Shubber has been spent over 30 years helping companies solve their most complicated and difficult problems through innovation, serving lead roles in companies like Accenture and Salesforce and founding several startups of his own. At the same time, he has nurtured his passion for gardening and combined it with a business opportunity to help tackle the pressing challenge of biodiversity loss by helping people gain access to native plants across the United States of America.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Shubber and I cover a broad range of topics, starting from how we should define innovation, to the story of how Garden for Wildlife started and where it is heading. We discuss the benefits of nature for humans and the impending twin crises of climate change and the rise of generative artificial intelligence, including the potential improvements in our livelihoods , but also how we must be prepared to adapt, going into the future.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" data-attachment-id=\"1320\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/025-shubber-ali\/shubber_ali_profilepic-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?fit=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Shubber_Ali_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?fit=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?resize=500%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Shubber_Ali_Profilepic-1.png?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Shubber Ali is CEO of Garden for Wildlife. He is a father, husband, avid gardener, and loves nature &#8211; and it\u2019s those last two things that led to his current role. He has spent over thirty years helping companies solve their most complicated and difficult problems through innovation, identifying growth opportunities, enabling technologies and platforms. He was the VP and Global Lead for the Elevate team at Elastic from April 2021 to June 2022, and prior to that he was one of Accenture\u2019s global leads for digital innovation from September 2017 to April 2021, where he worked with the National Wildlife Federation to create the Garden for Wildlife business. He has also served as VP of Strategic Innovation at Salesforce. He has co-founded multiple consumer technology companies, some successes including Centriq (acquired) and Flaik (privately held), and some great learning experiences (aka \u201cfailures\u201d). He serves as an advisor to numerous startups. In addition, Shubber has served for 9 years on the Advisory Board to the McDonough School of Business at Georgetown (where he has also been an adjunct professor of Innovation Management in the Executive MBA program) and a guest lecturer for the Emory University Executive MBA program. Since 2014, he also has served as a member of the global advisory STAR program for Airbus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-shubber-ali'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Shubber+Ali&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-shubber-ali&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>(<em>Disclosure: Links on this page to \u201cView on Amazon\u201d are Affiliate links. This means that, at zero additional cost to you, I will earn an affiliate commission if you click through the link and finalize a purchase.<\/em>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/gardenforwildlife.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Garden for Wildlife<\/a><\/strong>\u2019s Website, a spin-out from the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nwf.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">National Wildlife Federation<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Here\u2019s the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/gardenforwildlife.com\/blogs\/learning-center\/q-a-with-garden-for-wildlife-ceo-shubber-ali\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Q&amp;A Article with Shubber<\/a><\/strong> and some <strong>pictures of his pond<\/strong> project\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>I reference a study I did on frogs on the show, you can find the paper here: Donati, G.F., Bolliger, J., Psomas, A., Maurer, M. and Bach, P.M., 2022. Reconciling cities with nature: Identifying local Blue-Green Infrastructure interventions for regional biodiversity enhancement.\u00a0<em>Journal of Environmental Management<\/em>,\u00a0<em>316<\/em>, p.115254. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jenvman.2022.115254\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is innovation, one of the shows, \u201c<strong>The Innovation Storytellers<\/strong>\u201d that Shubber has been on previously (Episode 111), you can learn more about his journey in innovation on this show [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=OysfX4inz5c&amp;ab_channel=InnovationStorytellerswithSusanLindner\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a>]\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A list of Fortune 500 companies [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.50pros.com\/fortune500\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <strong>Green washing?<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.techtarget.com\/whatis\/definition\/greenwashing\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.techtarget.com\/whatis\/definition\/greenwashing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some of Shubber\u2019s previous endeavours:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/accenture.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Accenture<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salesforce.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Salesforce<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some of his startups include: Centriq (acquired) and Flaik (privately held)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Native species, important ecological concepts and the ingredients of garden for wildlife in our discussion around its origins:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Who are the pollinators? [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pollinator.org\/pollinators\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/nativeplantfinder.nwf.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">native plant finder database<\/a> (native plants down to the zip code across USA)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nwf.org\/CERTIFY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">certified wildlife habitat<\/a>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Monarch Butterfly [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldwildlife.org\/species\/monarch-butterfly\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Milkweed [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.fs.usda.gov\/wildflowers\/plant-of-the-week\/asclepias_syriaca.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Hummingbirds [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.birdlife.org\/birds\/hummingbird\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some stats about the <strong>gardening market in the US<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.statista.com\/outlook\/cmo\/diy-hardware-store\/lawn-garden\/united-states\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.statista.com\/outlook\/cmo\/diy-hardware-store\/lawn-garden\/united-states\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some insights on drought-tolerant plants [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rhs.org.uk\/plants\/for-places\/drought-resistant\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/the-highlight\/2020\/5\/19\/21221008\/how-to-bake-bread-pandemic-yeast-flour-baking-ken-forkish-claire-saffitz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">sourdough craze<\/a><\/strong> during the pandemic and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theclevercarrot.com\/2014\/01\/sourdough-bread-a-beginners-guide\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">how to make sourdough bread<\/a><\/strong>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The famous study on the <strong>effect of nature on human recovery<\/strong> from surgery: Ulrich, R.S., 1984. View through a window may influence recovery from surgery.\u00a0<em>science<\/em>,\u00a0<em>224<\/em>(4647), pp.420-421. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1126\/science.6143402\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An article about <strong>forest bathing<\/strong>, which emerged from Japan in the 1980s &#8211; called Shirin-yoku [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalgeographic.com\/travel\/article\/forest-bathing-nature-walk-health\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The urban heat island effect, touch upon in detail in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/\">Episode 16 with Mattheos Santamouris<\/a><\/strong>, for more in-depth information on this, feel free to check out the episode<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>\u201cThe road to hell is paved with good intentions\u201d<\/strong> &#8211; Proverb<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We have previously covered the topic of native vs. exotic plants on <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/021-danielle-dagenais\/\">Episode 21 of the show with Danielle Dagenais<\/a><\/strong>, check out the episode for more insights into this.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>Field of Dreams<\/strong> hypothesis:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The 1989 movie with the same title starring Kevin Costner [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Field_of_Dreams\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0097351\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">IMDB<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The main reference in ecology:<\/strong> Palmer, M.A., Ambrose, R.F. and Poff, N.L., 1997. Ecological theory and community restoration ecology.\u00a0<em>Restoration ecology<\/em>,\u00a0<em>5<\/em>(4), pp.291-300. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1046\/j.1526-100X.1997.00543.x\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Recent critique I saw:<\/strong> Suganuma, M.S. and Durigan, G., 2022. Build it and they will come, but not all of them in fragmented Atlantic Forest landscapes.\u00a0<em>Restoration Ecology<\/em>,\u00a0<em>30<\/em>(4), p.e13537. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1111\/rec.13537\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Tesla\u2019s AI and Robotics Projects [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tesla.com\/AI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>] &#8211; look up Optimus<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>History of the <strong>American fascination with lawns<\/strong>, an <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scientificamerican.com\/blog\/anthropology-in-practice\/the-american-obsession-with-lawns\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">interesting article<\/a><\/strong> (and the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Brady_Bunch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Brady Bunch show<\/a>)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reducing frictions: The story of <strong>Uber [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.uber.com\/en-ZA\/blog\/what-is-uber-facts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Uber<\/a>]<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.investopedia.com\/articles\/personal-finance\/111015\/story-uber.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Investopedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.montgomerycountymd.gov\/water\/rainscapes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">RainScapes Programme<\/a><\/strong> in Maryland and the \u201cSave the Chesapeake\u201d, the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbf.org\/how-we-save-the-bay\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Chesapeake Bay Foundation<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.simplilearn.com\/what-is-six-sigma-a-complete-overview-article\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Six Sigma<\/a><\/strong>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Previous episodes on the podcast where we cover nature in cities, stormwater control measures, blue-green infrastructure, there are many more, but here\u2019s a selection to get you started\u2026geographically\u2026.\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/009-ana-deletic\/\">Episode 9 with Ana Deletic<\/a><\/strong> (Australia)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/013-veljko-prodanovic\/\">Episode 13 with Veljko Prodanovic<\/a><\/strong> (Australia)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/020-belinda-hatt\/\">Episode 20 with Belinda Hatt<\/a><\/strong> (Australia)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/015-juan-pablo-rodriguez-sanchez\/\">Episode 15 with Juan Pablo Rodr\u00edguez S\u00e1nchez<\/a><\/strong> (Colombia)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/021-danielle-dagenais\/\">Episode 21 with Danielle Dagenais<\/a><\/strong> (Canada)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/022-francoise-bichai\/\">Episode 22 with Fran\u00e7oise Bichai<\/a><\/strong> (Canada)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/024-jon-hathaway\/\">Episode 24 with Jon Hathaway<\/a><\/strong> (USA)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/comfortcases.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Comfort Cases<\/a><\/strong> Not-for-profit Group<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The recent <strong>Climate Conference COP27 in Dubai<\/strong>, UAE that Shubber attended [<a href=\"https:\/\/unfccc.int\/cop28\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>For those who want to visit Dubai [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.visitdubai.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.expo2020dubai.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dubai Expo 2020<\/a><\/strong> &#8211; relive the event or see what it was all about<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mckinsey.com\/featured-insights\/mckinsey-explainers\/what-is-generative-ai\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Generative AI<\/a><\/strong>? Just in case you have never used <a href=\"https:\/\/chat.openai.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ChatGPT<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/dall-e-3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">DALL-E<\/a> or any other kinds of recently available tools.\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>At a deeper level, these tools are based on <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.elastic.co\/what-is\/large-language-models\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Large Language Models (LLMs)<\/a><\/strong> or <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/aws.amazon.com\/what-is\/stable-diffusion\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Stable Diffusion<\/a><\/strong>, which are techniques for generative AI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/gb\/podcast\/emergency-episode-ex-google-officer-finally-speaks\/id1291423644?i=1000615239948\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Diary of a CEO Episode on AI<\/a><\/strong> &#8211; highly recommend the show, I listen to it myself!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An <a href=\"https:\/\/www.medscape.com\/viewarticle\/997581?form=fpf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">article<\/a> on AI for skin cancer detection with near perfect accuracy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I talk about how bad I am with my house plants on <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/010-daniele-la-cecilia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 10 with Daniele la Cecilia<\/a><\/strong>, have a listen in!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Shubber\u2019s Book Recommendations:<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Tallamy, D. W. 2020ed., Nature\u2019s best hope [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Douglas-W-Tallamy-ebook\/dp\/B0B5L442XL\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=22ISKFERCKHPP&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4aXGeMZCe1nrJK6I1JHsjY1848oWcsTwsLZK9wBG4pYxHMgG26vALQWvg9V8jnMcN1dOzb8zX-BShheizeE52os4Irv207rrcCQWw4pOqmld0iAcnawYF4ippIZSJ0q-y3CmN09OVXk_ktFzJqvKOlEgoN3TCEjiW17Zq_8whNSx43cS7-gLnw-AJeUdrCE-b7Zr-Y0NAsLoS38qyxSCnyNubUXEQou6u3WJLs-QT0g.aCxH4xsSN3-4Awl9B3JBuQGwRJm7Soz2a-7z_R5kCmI&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=nature%2527s+best+hope&amp;qid=1709654446&amp;sprefix=nature%2527s+best+hope%252Caps%252C78&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=2817a78d8a07589fd464d65445627882&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Sinek, S. 2011ed., Start with why [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Simon-Sinek\/dp\/0241958229\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3CHIGXBQXXOQH&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VRoqQaGC_wzwk03FciyZlLze7f7RusrdK9DEnkGcUUELX5xB_fX8B0X5IbrvaK3mMCDfgXuXjBql04Ln2jca1DwPe7VLlKXg22-0-HUNWaidDI3aDBUABlX0dDf4U8K9NX9siQLH3h2x3sy5VkoQ3eXwvpmA-WuUTcIJA_xj7d2L0jsYUpLdiqiYlVLGsqVaP74bBSFLdXzMwxpHbVbz-SezC7YBeYIo40YCCRiXwgw.0azLt2cSJpGy9TS_YnbfiPXo33l_MxwH34AiaZRZa1E&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=start+with+why&amp;qid=1709654509&amp;sprefix=start+with+why%252Caps%252C91&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=c2204a7a545e30e408ef2bec42bae843&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Williams, F., 2018 ed., The Nature Fix [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Florence-Williams\/dp\/0393355578\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GGCQFP8O0W3M&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yd-xptJO955dfQMM6B_Z2kVrtuVEWUNOInPaFigBWPeU2O0Td-cYET1jJOE5m8oeJk-GZIDtM_T-fnvfSc8NQlxQ2DLbpL-_ACXI5rg6Dchp5BQ1RbTFlPldQfKaY0VlXUn_Gp2o6hRbFWWBwjoCJVCEu_Xy7EvnfotQSomfyuv2FEK4V0qmZ1oha4jP8oo8RvmFu6-eWhkE7Fh4tD2Ay7OYPMYCBuBWZk2RnjcYkDE.dPL9ghVJUCJQow8Y-fSfsjszePKr59DElnnFsFd_qUI&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+nature+fix&amp;qid=1709654549&amp;sprefix=the+nature+fix%252Caps%252C97&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=83ee89e5158d421782bdddade6dd8081&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Louv, R. 2010 ed., Last children in the woods [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Richard-Author-Louv\/dp\/1848870833\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KOO1IM2MCD5M&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.50b1vNU0fK__-s1tovhqU2DNvDJY3ihyx7OOacOU5fWxj6dldbQ81vFXzS4QaKbjmVr7UHFAHPF6lBHIDbUL7ybBqrIwERsBphZeu34qGuSuuv8jGTTRLyDaeMWFhM9kfF3wFSVUH3Z18fLV3HRag1p3GLchTnVwRv28qcvsjSgm3j6LDGT3BR5pDevPS7djVQSfzflSeKhTR_y2XhWTm74ADZ3pYyFaxKnkGuV8a30.J5ibYhrSgV2TKx8Mq1ekAY4cXH0lhfNja6GCT44kk1c&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=last+child+in+the+woods&amp;qid=1709654583&amp;sprefix=last+chil%252Caps%252C95&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=18731eb08005d80c26e3f2cf123cacac&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Adams, D. 2009 ed., Last Chance to See [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Douglas-Adams\/dp\/009953679X\/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3F58MC7KNLIDN&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.R2jwByoXMh1UF6cVsEHSQkkQBS-QWIokVhMWx2N6CcAPCqnVHZfgpqtVHy-9S5xKDv4cE3y673TtDyS-1egc_WGw-aIE09tGFIiydJXwxEEIGtuXcJ-YnXHwgXcZzBiQd8Hy3gH9f3cV2_IMYvva4eKvxzWd2eT453OpS-q6d6PB5eGh6CyEM6xmWHCiBwimReNlbWNmVlYF-rGQ0rr0rv3z-vDWb4bhMh0xlhvt4J0.Mbs_5XpoqeM180_Gr3ugbMCrvnMVZOR5AhhCOAPds3Y&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=douglas+adams&amp;qid=1709654615&amp;sprefix=douglas+adams%252Caps%252C96&amp;sr=8-11&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=2f974cd0540a1e5b1286ebdff8391c2b&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The parable at the end of \u201cLast Chance to See\u201d that Shubber describes [<a href=\"https:\/\/deeshaa.org\/sifting-through-the-embers\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro and Gardening<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>6:48 Innovation a love-hate relationship<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>13:43 Shubber&#8217;s Origin Story<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>16:16 Nature&#8217;s best hope<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>18:46 Founding Garden for Wildlife<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>24:35 Nature and human health<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>27:10 Native vs. Non-native<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>30:30 Green justice the Field of Dreams Hypothesis<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>34:10 American fascination with lawns<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>36:36 Reducing friction for change<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>39:08 The IKEA for Biodiversity?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>41:26 Deal with it at source &#8211; cost of poor quality problem<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>43:15 Current successes of Garden for Wildlife<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>45:18 What&#8217;s next for Garden for Wildlife<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50:51 Coming to Europe?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:08 Climate Conference COP27<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>55:04 We have too much information<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>58:01 Artificial Intelligence and the dawn of Generative AI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:02:09 Potential downsides of AI<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:08:55 Crisis breeds action<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:10:53 What is the root cause problem?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:13:59 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:14:17 If you had a magic wand?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:18:25 What inspires you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:22:55 Key book event person<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:30:55 Biggest challenge to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:34:55 Time Management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:40:50 Where can people find you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:41:37 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:41:59 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Shubber Ali<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/shubberali\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LinkedIn<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/gardenforwildlife.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Garden for Wildlife Official Website<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"893\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/013-veljko-prodanovic\/janine-bolliger_profilpic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?fit=966%2C966&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"966,966\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Janine-Bolliger_profilpic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?fit=966%2C966&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-893\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?w=966&amp;ssl=1 966w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/014-janine-bolliger\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"911\">Episode #14 &#8211; Janine Bolliger<\/a><br><strong>Lights, Camera, GPS and Action around biodiversity enhancement in human-dominated landscapes<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: biodiversity; animals)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1039\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/018-fritz-kleinschroth\/fritzkleinschroth_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?fit=248%2C248&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"248,248\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?fit=248%2C248&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?fit=248%2C248&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1039\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?w=248&amp;ssl=1 248w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/018-fritz-kleinschroth\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1038\">Episode #18 &#8211; Fritz Kleinschroth<\/a><br><strong>From tropical forests to the city \u2013 reconciliation ecology between human infrastructure and nature conservation<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: biodiversity; conservation; human-nature connection)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1239\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/danielle_dagenais_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?fit=825%2C825&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"825,825\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?fit=825%2C825&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1239\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?w=825&amp;ssl=1 825w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Danielle_Dagenais_profilepic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/021-danielle-dagenais\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1205\">Episode #21 &#8211; Danielle Dagenais<\/a><br>The paradox of nature \u2013 process and parts and its implications for green infrastructure<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: biodiversity; native plants; human-nature connection)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"710\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/005-peter-vanrolleghem\/peterv12\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?fit=438%2C438&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"438,438\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"peterv12\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?fit=438%2C438&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-710\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?w=438&amp;ssl=1 438w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/005-peter-vanrolleghem\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"688\">Episode #5 &#8211; Peter Vanrolleghem<\/a><br>Like wastewater for chocolate, control, serendipity and digital twins<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: artificial intelligence)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #25 Your garden, the &#8216;field of dreams&#8217; for tackling the twin crises of climate change and artificial intelligence Guest: Shubber Ali March 5th, 2024 Episode Teaser Introduction \u201c&#8230;I&#8217;m a big believer in&#8230; 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