{"id":1326,"date":"2024-02-12T18:38:35","date_gmt":"2024-02-12T18:38:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1326"},"modified":"2024-03-18T21:56:52","modified_gmt":"2024-03-18T21:56:52","slug":"026-manuel-fischer","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/026-manuel-fischer\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 026 &#8211; Manuel Fischer"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #26<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Good, the Bad, and the Socio-Political &#8211; can science really support policymaking?<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Manuel Fischer<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>March 19th, 2024<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ymR3SoTiSjI?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><em><strong>\u201c&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><strong>it&#8217;s entangled at many different moments, this technological world and the social world&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Manuel Fischer &#8211; Professor from the University of Bern, Switzerland and the head of the Environmental Social Sciences Department at the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology (Eawag). Armed with a political science background, Manuel and his Policy Analysis and Environmental Governance research group (PEGO) have sought to understand the complexity of social dynamics and collaboration on a range of environmental issues, both in times of crises and in times of calm, from topics of changing energy policy due to climate change and major disasters to harmonizing our relationship with the ecological world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Manuel and I discuss the reality of doing social sciences in the political space, the intricate dynamics among different actors in the context of energy and ecology, and the opposing roles of the so-called \u2018devil shift\u2019 and \u2018devil\u2019s advocates\u2019. Manuel also reflects on the reality of when and whether science can have an impact on guiding future policies and how scientists can leave their infamous ivory tower. Detailed information is provided in the show notes over at petermbach.com\/podcast, Thank you for joining us today and please enjoy the show.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" data-attachment-id=\"1327\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/026-manuel-fischer\/manuel-fischer\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,1000\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;10&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Eawag&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS 5D Mark II&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1348564675&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Eawag&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;120&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.01&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Manuel Fischer&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Manuel Fischer\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=1000%2C1000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1327\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Manuel-Fischer-Quadrat.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Manuel Fischer is titular Professor in the Department of Political Science at the University of Bern and the head of the Environmental Social Sciences Department at the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology (Eawag). He studied political sciences at the University of Geneva and undertook a PhD there in the Department of Political Science. During the completion of his thesis, he spent some time at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill USA before returning to Switzerland to undertake a postdoc at Eawag. Manuel&#8217;s own Policy Analysis and Environmental Governance (PEGO) Research Group is driven by current complex environmental and societal challenges. These include the integration of different aspects of water resources management, the drivers and impacts of climate change and the transition towards a clean energy system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He utilizes policy process theories, institutional analysis and multi-level governance frameworks to study a wide variety of substantial issues including innovative and effective policy design, instrument choice under uncertainty and the integration of actors from different spatial scales or levels and stages of the policy process. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-manuel-fischer'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Manuel+Fischer&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-manuel-fischer&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Manuel is the second social scientist on the show. The first one was <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/\">Megan Farrelly from Episode 8<\/a><\/strong>. You can check out her episode for more 101s on doing social sciences<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Qualitative Research: useful reference books on doing qualitative research if you\u2019re interested in furthering your skills\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Qualitative Inquiry and Research Design:<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>Choosing Among Five Approaches<\/strong>&nbsp;4th Edition by John C. Creswell [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/John-W-Creswell-ebook\/dp\/B07C6K99N8\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=268SI2WT9QW45&amp;keywords=Qualitative+Inquiry+and+Research+Design&amp;qid=1698492050&amp;sprefix=qualitative+inquiry+and+research+design%252Caps%252C104&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=6a89605625f3fa95ee4f214b49f1006f&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The SAGE Handbook of Qualitative Research<\/strong>&nbsp;Sixth Edition by Denzin, Lincoln, Giardina and Cannella (eds.) [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Norman-K-Denzin\/dp\/1071836749\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3K80BYCIEEH85&amp;keywords=The+SAGE+Handbook+of+Qualitative+Research&amp;qid=1698492077&amp;sprefix=the+sage+handbook+of+qualitative+research%252Caps%252C88&amp;sr=8-1&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=petermbach-21&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=392d2cc55ddaae5adf39ccbe8b26f250&amp;camp=1638&amp;creative=6742\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An introduction to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eda.admin.ch\/aboutswitzerland\/en\/home\/politik-geschichte\/politisches-system.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Switzerland\u2019s political system<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.davos.ch\/?gad_source=1&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwzN-vBhAkEiwAYiO7oPmFR6UZKhDdA-m1h6ILFBkd9ZofCtPDyHmXNgeSA0NHzMQIiSN_7hoCoj4QAvD_BwE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tourism in Davos<\/a><\/strong> &#8211; definitely worth visiting if you\u2019re in Switzerland<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Manuel\u2019s paper on the \u2018devil-shift\u2019:<\/strong> Fischer, M., Ingold, K., Sciarini, P. and Varone, F., 2016. Dealing with bad guys: actor-and process-level determinants of the \u201cdevil shift\u201d in policy making.\u00a0<em>Journal of public policy<\/em>,\u00a0<em>36<\/em>(2), pp.309-334. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1017\/S0143814X15000021\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Origins of the term <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Devil%27s_advocate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\u2018devil\u2019s advocate\u2019<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Just to complete the list of devils, here\u2019s a recipe for <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/downshiftology.com\/recipes\/deviled-eggs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\u2018deviled eggs\u2019<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A history of the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/world-nuclear.org\/information-library\/safety-and-security\/safety-of-plants\/fukushima-daiichi-accident.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fukushima Nuclear Disaster<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Manuel\u2019s paper on the effect of external shocks on collaboration patterns:<\/strong> Fischer, M., 2015. Collaboration patterns, external shocks and uncertainty: Swiss nuclear energy politics before and after Fukushima.\u00a0<em>Energy Policy<\/em>,\u00a0<em>86<\/em>, pp.520-528. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.enpol.2015.08.007\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What are <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Social_network\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>social networks<\/strong><\/a> ?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Social-Ecological Systems:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Bodin, \u00d6., Alexander, S.M., Baggio, J., Barnes, M.L., Berardo, R., Cumming, G.S., Dee, L.E., Fischer, A.P., <strong>Fischer, M.,<\/strong> Mancilla Garcia, M. and Guerrero, A.M., 2019. Improving network approaches to the study of complex social\u2013ecological interdependencies.\u00a0<em>Nature sustainability<\/em>,\u00a0<em>2<\/em>(7), pp.551-559. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1038\/s41893-019-0308-0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Manuel\u2019s current project on social-ecological systems: <strong>Blue-Green Net<\/strong> [<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/department\/ess\/projects\/bluegreennet\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Project Website<\/a><\/strong>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We reference <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/014-janine-bolliger\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"911\">Episode 14 with Janine Bolliger<\/a><\/strong> in relation to biodiversity, species and interconnectedness, check out her Episode for more information.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The reference of crocodiles and lizards on the golf course was inspired by my own experience. You find many <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sportskeeda.com\/golf\/news-watch-a-giant-monitor-lizard-makes-appearance-greens-liv-golf-singapore\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">monitor lizards<\/a> in South-East Asia or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.skysports.com\/golf\/news\/12177\/10653094\/is-the-13th-hole-at-lost-city-the-most-dangerous-hole-in-golf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">crocodiles in Namibia<\/a> at the Lost City Golf Course\u2019s 13th Hole<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cThe old academic in a white ivory tower\u201d &#8211; the white ivory tower reference [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ivory_tower\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro, Interview Skills and Social Processes<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>7:01 Manuel for President!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>9:14 A 101 on Swiss Politics<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>13:03 Manuel\u2019s academic journey to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>17:14 Actors, the social scientist and the theatre piece<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>19:27 The good guys, the bad guys and the \u2018devil shift\u2019<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>28:18 The \u2018devil\u2019s advocate\u2019?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>31:06 Decision-making in times of crises &#8211; Fukushima<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>36:09 Social networks<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>40:27 Social-Ecological Networks for Biodiversity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>48:02 The role of scientists going forward<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>49:39 Manuel\u2019s approach to the future<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50:45 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>51:08 Key event, person, book<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>53:20 If you had a magic wand?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>54:04 Biggest challenge to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>55:59 Time management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>58:14 Advice to young social scientists<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:00:44 The ivory tower of academia<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:02:10 Where can people find you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:02:49 Final message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:03:05 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Manuel Fischer<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/about-us\/portrait\/organisation\/staff\/profile\/manuel-fischer\/show\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eawag Profile Page<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ipw.unibe.ch\/about_us\/people\/dr_fischer_manuel\/index_eng.html\">University of Bern Profile Page<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"643\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/003-martijn-kuller\/profile-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?fit=456%2C456&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"456,456\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Profile\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?fit=456%2C456&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-643\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?w=456&amp;ssl=1 456w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Profile.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/003-martijn-kuller\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"642\">Episode #003 &#8211; Martijn Kuller<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>A game of planning, a set of maps and a match of nature-based solutions<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: decision-making, stakeholders)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"771\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/profilepic_maf\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?fit=1500%2C1500&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1500,1500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"ProfilePic_MAF\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-771\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"752\">Episode #008 &#8211; Megan A. Farrelly<\/a><br><strong><strong>Don\u2019t forget the social \u2013 experiments in urban water and energy transitions<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: social science, governance)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"893\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/013-veljko-prodanovic\/janine-bolliger_profilpic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?fit=966%2C966&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"966,966\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Janine-Bolliger_profilpic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?fit=966%2C966&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-893\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?w=966&amp;ssl=1 966w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Janine-Bolliger_profilpic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/014-janine-bolliger\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"911\">Episode #014 &#8211; Janine Bolliger<\/a><br><strong>Lights, Camera, GPS and Action around biodiversity enhancement in human-dominated landscapes<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: biodiversity, connectivity)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1039\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/018-fritz-kleinschroth\/fritzkleinschroth_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?fit=248%2C248&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"248,248\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?fit=248%2C248&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1039\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?w=248&amp;ssl=1 248w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/FritzKleinschroth_Profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/018-fritz-kleinschroth\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1038\">Episode #018 &#8211; Fritz Kleinschroth<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>From tropical forests to the city \u2013 reconciliation ecology between human infrastructure and nature conservation<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: biodiversity, society-nature interaction)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #26 The Good, the Bad, and the Socio-Political &#8211; 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