{"id":1412,"date":"2024-04-21T20:07:56","date_gmt":"2024-04-21T20:07:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1412"},"modified":"2024-05-27T18:40:30","modified_gmt":"2024-05-27T18:40:30","slug":"029-katrin-pakizer","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/029-katrin-pakizer\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 029 &#8211; Katrin Pakizer"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #29<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Grassroots movements, policy instruments and timing for transforming water, biodiversity and underground management<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Katrin Pakizer<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>May 28th, 2024<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/W97dtopppTk?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><em><strong>\u201c&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><strong>It&#8217;s about finding out, what type of policy instrument you need, for what type of actor you are addressing&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Katrin Pakizer is a research associate at the Zurich University of Applied Sciences and postdoctoral research fellow at the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology. As a political scientist with a PhD from ETH Zurich\u2019s Institute for Environmental Decisions, Katrin\u2019s love for nature enabled her to tackle important questions around transitioning our cities towards more sustainable management and governance of natural resources, from water to biodiversity and, more recently, the world and infrastructures beneath our feet. Through her work, she has been identifying the key ingredients that we need, to create transformative change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Katrin and I touch upon the topics of water, biodiversity and underground resources. We explore how decentralized water infrastructure can make in-roads through grassroots movements, suitable policy instruments and their correct sequencing. We then pivot towards how similar principles should be adopted for governance challenges around biodiversity and our expanding interest in the underground.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"270\" height=\"270\" data-attachment-id=\"1414\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/029-katrin-pakizer\/katrin_pakizer_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?fit=270%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"270,270\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?fit=270%2C270&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?resize=270%2C270&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1414\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?w=270&amp;ssl=1 270w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Katrin_Pakizer_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 270px) 100vw, 270px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Katrin Pakizer is a research associate from the Zurich University of Applied Sciences and postdoctoral research fellow at the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology (Eawag). She obtained her Bachelor Degree in Communication and Political Sciences from the University of Erfurt, Germany in 2013 and Masters in Political Science in 2015 from Friedrich-Schiller-University, Jena, Germany in 2015. From 2015 to 2016, she undertook a postgraduate program in Peace and Security Studies at the University of Hamburg before embarking on a PhD from 2018 to 2022 at ETH Zurich&#8217;s Institute of Environmental Decisions. Her interests revolve around findings pathways towards more sustainable management of natural resources through better deployment and sequencing of policy instruments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Katrin has used her unique social science skill sets to embark on projects around sustainable water resources management, good biodiversity governance and, more recently, sustainable underground resources management. In between her studies, she has worked at different reputable institutes including the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.giga-hamburg.de\/en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">German Institute of Global and Area Studies<\/a>, Hamburg, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.boell.de\/de\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Heinrich-B\u00f6ll Foundatio<\/a>n and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ohchr.org\/en\/ohchr_homepage\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">OHCHR<\/a> in Geneva and has also participated in exchange programs with the University of Ottawa. Her current role sees her combining her interests in good environmental governance with challenges around natural resources to help policymakers make better-informed decisions to complex problems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-katrin-pakizer'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Katrin+Pakizer&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-katrin-pakizer&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>We refer to <strong>social science terminology <\/strong>including actors, regimes and niches in this episode. For a 101 on these concepts, refer to Episodes 8 and 26 of the show with <a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"752\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Megan Farelly<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/026-manuel-fischer\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1326\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Manuel Fischer<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>All about <strong>lichen<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>What are lichen? [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lichen\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fs.usda.gov\/wildflowers\/beauty\/lichens\/about.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">US Forest Reserve Page<\/a> on Lichen<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>Swiss Federal Institute for Forest, Snow and Landscape Research<\/strong> (WSL) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsl.ch\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Webpage<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lichens as <strong>indicators of air quality<\/strong>, an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.breeze-technologies.de\/blog\/lichens-as-an-indicator-of-air-quality\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">interesting article<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Singapore\u2019s <strong>mangrove ecosystems<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nparks.gov.sg\/biodiversity\/our-ecosystems\/coastal-and-marine\/mangroves\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">National Parks Board<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The centralized vs. decentralized water debate was also covered on a previous episode, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/022-francoise-bichai\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1210\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 22 with Fran\u00e7oise Bichai<\/a><\/strong>, check out her episode for some further context.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some of the concepts discussed in this episode also harks back to <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"752\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 8 with Megan Farrelly<\/a><\/strong>, check out her episode for some 101s on social science<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Creating Transformative Change<\/strong>, the three ingredients:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Katrin\u2019s Paper on <strong>Grassroots Movement: Pakizer, K.<\/strong>, Fischer, M. and Lieberherr, E., 2022. Entrepreneurial strategies for transformative change: An application to grassroots movements for sustainable urban water systems.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Cleaner Production<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>375<\/em>, p.134003. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jclepro.2022.134003\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Coop\u00e9rative Equilibre\u2019s<\/strong> official webpage [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cooperative-equilibre.ch\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <a href=\"https:\/\/composting.ces.ncsu.edu\/vermicomposting-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">vermicomposting<\/a>? [<a href=\"https:\/\/rodaleinstitute.org\/science\/articles\/vermicomposting-for-beginners\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Beginner\u2019s Guide<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Katrin\u2019s work on <strong>policy instrument mixes<\/strong>: <strong>Pakizer, K.,<\/strong> Fischer, M. and Lieberherr, E., 2020. Policy instrument mixes for operating modular technology within hybrid water systems.&nbsp;<em>Environmental science &amp; policy<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>105<\/em>, pp.120-133. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.envsci.2019.12.009\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>Carrots, sticks and sermons <\/strong>around policy instruments was published in a 2011 book: Bemelmans-Videc, M.L., Rist, R.C. and Vedung, E.O. eds., 2011.&nbsp;<em>Carrots, sticks, and sermons: Policy instruments and their evaluation<\/em>&nbsp;(Vol. 1). Transaction Publishers. [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.routledge.com\/Carrots-Sticks-and-Sermons-Policy-Instruments-and-Their-Evaluation\/Rist\/p\/book\/9780765805461\">Link to Publisher<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Katrin\u2019s paper on <strong>policy sequencing: Pakizer, K.,<\/strong> Lieberherr, E., Farrelly, M., Bach, P.M., Saur\u00ed, D., March, H., Hacker, M. and Binz, C., 2023. Policy sequencing for early-stage transition dynamics\u2013A process model and comparative case study in the water sector.&nbsp;<em>Environmental Innovation and Societal Transitions<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>48<\/em>, p.100730. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.eist.2023.100730\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/world\/2024\/apr\/02\/babboe-dutch-cargo-bike-firm-safety-recall\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Cargo Bike Scandal<\/strong><\/a> in The Netherlands<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Sant Cugat del Vall\u00e8s in Spain [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sant_Cugat_del_Vall%C3%A8s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>San Francisco\u2019s decentralized approach to water recycling [<a href=\"https:\/\/smartwatermagazine.com\/news\/smart-water-magazine\/san-franciscos-decentralised-approach-water-recycling\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Smart Water Magazine<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>silver bullets <\/strong>were prominent in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/007-abishek-narayan\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"749\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 7 with Abishek Narayan<\/a><\/strong>. Over the course of the show, we have also learnt that there simply is no one-size-fits-all approach for any sustainable approach.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/author\/quotes\/130561.Elinor_Ostrom\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">famous quotes by Elinor Ostrom<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Biodiversity governance<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Katrin is working on the project led by Manuel Fischer and Janine Bolliger, who have been on the show as well\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/014-janine-bolliger\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"911\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 14 with Janine Bolliger<\/a><\/strong> for a nice in-depth look at biodiversity, connectivity and frogs<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Check out <a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/026-manuel-fischer\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1326\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Episode 26 with Manuel Fischer<\/strong> <\/a>for more details on the concept of social-ecological networks<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Social-Ecological Systems:<\/strong> Bodin, \u00d6., Alexander, S.M., Baggio, J., Barnes, M.L., Berardo, R., Cumming, G.S., Dee, L.E., Fischer, A.P., Fischer, M., Mancilla Garcia, M. and Guerrero, A.M., 2019. Improving network approaches to the study of complex social\u2013ecological interdependencies.&nbsp;<em>Nature sustainability<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>2<\/em>(7), pp.551-559. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1038\/s41893-019-0308-0\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some insights on what is <strong>beneath the ground<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The planning of <strong>underground infrastructure<\/strong> of big cities [<a href=\"https:\/\/kpi.ua\/en\/2020-winner-iasa\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <strong>soil biodiversity<\/strong>? [<a href=\"https:\/\/urbansoils.org\/faq14\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Basics of <strong>geothermal energy<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.energy.gov\/eere\/geothermal\/geothermal-basics\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Do we know <strong>more about space than the oceans<\/strong>? An <a href=\"https:\/\/science.howstuffworks.com\/environmental\/earth\/oceanography\/deep-ocean-exploration.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>interesting article<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Criminal investigation shows from the 1990s and early 2000s &#8211; another guest, who watched these shows is <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/019-anna-lintern\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1092\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Anna Lintern from Episode 19<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The<strong> ivory tower debate<\/strong>: \u201cThe old academic in a white ivory tower\u201d &#8211; the white ivory tower reference [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ivory_tower\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/narp.ethz.ch\/personen\/person-detail.eva-lieberherr.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eva Lieberherr <\/a><\/strong>from ETH Zurich, Katrin&#8217;s PhD supervisor<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I can highly recommend <strong>Cal Newport. 2024. Slow Productivity<\/strong>. Penguin Publishing Group [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.de\/-\/en\/Cal-Newport\/dp\/0593719433\/\">View on Amazon<\/a>] as well as his other books, which are great reads and provide plenty of tips for our own productivity and work ethics.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Useful <strong>productivity apps<\/strong> mentioned:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Toggl Track <\/strong>app [<a href=\"https:\/\/toggl.com\/\">Official Website<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Viva Insights for Microsoft Teams<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/support.microsoft.com\/en-au\/topic\/viva-insights-app-in-teams-and-on-the-web-f07f80a1-177d-4541-9185-31493b74fc0f\">Website<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro and fascination with Lichen<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>6:00 What came first, social sciences or nature<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>7:57 Katrin&#8217;s journey to decentralized water systems<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>14:44 Creating transformative change 1: Grassroots movements<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>20:30 A 101 on housing cooperatives in Switzerland<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>23:18 Creating transformative change 2: Policy instrument mixes<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>28:42 Creating transformative change 3: Timing and sequencing<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>40:38 Katrin&#8217;s current endeavours in biodiversity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>45:15 Underground resources governance<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:32 The road ahead for Katrin<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>54:07 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>54:27 What inspires you<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>56:53 If you had a magic wand<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>59:20 Key event, person, book<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:01:22 Biggest challenge in career to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:07:21 Time management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:12:08 Advice for young researchers<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:14:30 Where can people reach you<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:14:59 Final message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:15:20 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Katrin Pakizer<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/katrin-pakizer-277a699b\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LinkedIn<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.zhaw.ch\/de\/ueber-uns\/person\/paki\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>ZHAW Official Profile Page<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=QcTUlGcAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Google Scholar<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/profile\/Katrin-Pakizer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>ResearchGate<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"771\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/008-megan-farrelly\/profilepic_maf\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ProfilePic_MAF.jpg?fit=1500%2C1500&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1500,1500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/026-manuel-fischer\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1326\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #26 &#8211; Manuel Fischer<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>The Good, the Bad, and the Socio-Political &#8211; can science really support collaborative policymaking?<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: social sciences, governance, qualitative research, politics, water)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #29 Grassroots movements, policy instruments and timing for transforming water, biodiversity and underground management Guest: Katrin Pakizer May 28th, 2024 Episode Teaser Introduction \u201c&#8230;It&#8217;s about finding out, what type of policy instrument you need, for what type of actor you are addressing&#8230;\u201d Katrin Pakizer is<span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/029-katrin-pakizer\/\">Continue Reading<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":538,"menu_order":29,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["entry","author-admin","post-1412","page","type-page","status-publish"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the 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