{"id":1458,"date":"2024-05-24T10:37:09","date_gmt":"2024-05-24T10:37:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1458"},"modified":"2024-06-03T10:52:39","modified_gmt":"2024-06-03T10:52:39","slug":"030-tobias-baur","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/030-tobias-baur\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 030 &#8211; Tobias Baur"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #30<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">From tropical Singapore to Europe &#8211; the &#8220;ABC Waters&#8221; of sponge cities and climate adaptive design<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Tobias Baur<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>June 4th, 2024<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8uisKnBnNlQ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><em><strong>\u201c&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><strong>When you go through nature, you cannot see a boundary between &#8216;blue&#8217; and &#8216;green&#8217; &#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Tobias Baur is Professor in Landscape Architecture and Design at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ost.ch\/en\/person\/tobias-baur-9548\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.ost.ch\/en\/person\/tobias-baur-9548\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eastern Switzerland University of Applied Sciences (OST)<\/a> and former partner at Studio Ramboll-Dreiseitl. Tobias developed a lifelong passion around the connection between humans and water, growing up along the waterfront in Germany. In 2008, he embarked on a 10-year journey to the tropics in Singapore to lead major engineering and design projects centered around the country\u2019s national Active, Beautiful and Clean Waters program, from watershed masterplans, to urban redevelopment and local-scale sponge city and climate-adaptive designs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Tobias and I reflect upon Singapore\u2019s journey in water management, its Active, Beautiful and Clean Waters approach and the intricacies of renaturalising urban spaces in the tropics. We hear his experience on leading the flagship Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park project among others and draw comparisons to Europe and the current push for climate adaptation, especially the necessity of interdisciplinary collaboration for a more sustainable future.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" data-attachment-id=\"1459\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/030-tobias-baur\/5025773_tobias_baur\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,1000\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"5025773_tobias_baur\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=1000%2C1000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1459\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5025773_tobias_baur.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Tobias Baur is a Professor in Landscape Design at the Institute for Landscape and Open Space (ILF) at the Eastern Switzerland University of Applied Sciences (OST), Rapperswil, former Partner and Team Leader at Ramboll Studio Dreiseitl, Germany (2018-2021) and former Adjunct Professor at the National University of Singapore (NUS) (2016-2018). He studied landscape architecture and landscape planning at the University of Applied Sciences N\u00fcrtingen from 1995 to 2004, undertaking a thesis on the topic of \u201cUrban Development along the waterfront\u201d. In 2004, he joined Atelier Dreiseitl and spent 2008 to 2018 in Singapore undertaking numerous projects in supporting Singapore\u2019s shift to more Active, Beautiful and Clean (ABC) Waters Programme (a holistic approach to linking water, nature and community) across the country.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Notable projects, which Tobias led, have involved elements of river renaturalisation, urban climate improvement and adaptation as well as holistic and sustainable water management using blue-green infrastructures and sustainable landscape design. These include the development of the Bishan Ang Mo Kio Park, the flagship project of the ABC Waters Programme, the Central watershed management masterplan for Singapore as well as the Ludwigsburg Climate Terrace and Frankfurt FOUR in Germany among many others. In his current role as Professor, he is now looking into improving the design of blue-green infrastructures or \u2018sponge cities\u2019 across Switzerland and finding ways to apply his global knowledge to support better adoption of the practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-tobias-baur'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Tobias+Baur&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-tobias-baur&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>All about Singapore:<\/strong> I grew up there and left in 2003 and Tobias came in 2008\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Geographical Context and overview for your convenience [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Singapore\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marinabaysands.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Marina Bay Sands<\/strong><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ura.gov.sg\/Corporate\/Get-Involved\/Shape-A-Distinctive-City\/Explore-Our-City\/Marina-Bay\/The-Marina-Bay-Story\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>history of the Marina Bay<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.esplanade.com\/about-us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>The Esplanade<\/strong><\/a> in Singapore<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.timeout.com\/singapore\/restaurants\/guide-to-newton-food-centre-tourist-trap-or-hawker-haven\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Newton Circus<\/strong><\/a> or Food Centre**, a large Hawker Centre definitely a great place to bring people to for local cuisine<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Michelin Guide to <a href=\"https:\/\/guide.michelin.com\/sg\/en\/article\/dining-out\/8-michelin-listed-spots-for-chicken-rice\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Chicken Rice<\/strong><\/a> in Singapore<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Check out <a href=\"https:\/\/chinatown.sg\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>China Town<\/strong><\/a> as well if you ever visit<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.formula1.com\/en\/racing\/2024\/Singapore.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Formula 1<\/strong><\/a> in Singapore<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>All about Studio Dreiseitl or <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ramboll_Studio_Dreiseitl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Ramboll Dreiseitl<\/strong><\/a>, the studio is now called Henning-Larsen\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/henninglarsen.com\/news\/singapore-based-landscape-architecture-team-joins-henning-larsen\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Official Website<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Herbert_Dreiseitl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Herbert Dreiseitl<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/jefconassociates.com\/blog\/2023\/12\/20\/challenges-posed-by-traditional-stormwater-management-practices\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>\u2018traditional view\u2019 of water management<\/strong><\/a> &#8211; from resource to waste, now outdated as we think more actively about sustainability &#8211; a nice recent article on this<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Singapore\u2019s Water Management History [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pub.gov.sg\/Public\/WaterLoop\/OurWaterStory\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">From the PUB themselves<\/a>]<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A <a href=\"https:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2015\/06\/urban-water-management-in-singapore-past-present-and-future\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>nice article<\/strong><\/a> summarising the history<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>All about the <a href=\"https:\/\/biblioasia.nlb.gov.sg\/files\/pdf\/vol-14\/v14-issue1_FourTaps.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>4 Taps Approach<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pub.gov.sg\/Public\/WaterLoop\/OurWaterStory\/NEWater\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>NewWater<\/strong><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/brewerkz.com\/newbrew\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>NewBeer or NewBrew<\/strong><\/a> as it is officially known<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>ABC Waters Programme<\/strong>, which launched in 2006. Singapore\u2019s idea of sponge cities or Water Sensitive Urban Design\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pub.gov.sg\/Resources\/Publications\/ABC-Waters\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>ABC Water Program Website<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pub.gov.sg\/-\/media\/Images\/Feature\/Content-Pages\/Resources\/Publications\/Pdfs\/ABC_Waters_Design_Guidelines.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>ABC Waters Design Guidelines<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Singapore has an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.siww.com.sg\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>International Water Week<\/strong><\/a> that happens once a year<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park Project<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/beta.nparks.gov.sg\/visit\/parks\/park-detail\/bishan-ang-mo-kio-park\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>National Parks Board Page<\/strong><\/a> on the project<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dreiseitlconsulting.com\/bishan-ang-mo-kio-park\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Studio Ramboll-Dreiseitl\u2019s<\/strong><\/a> project page [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ramboll.com\/projects\/water\/bishan-park-singapore-nature-for-all\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Another Link<\/strong><\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pub.gov.sg\/-\/media\/Images\/Feature\/Content-Pages\/Resources\/Publications\/Pdfs\/BishanPark.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">nice brochure<\/a> on the project from the PUB<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.californiaurbanstreamspartnership.com\/what-is-soil-bioengineering\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">soil bioengineering<\/a>?\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/peter-geitz-a06a1b99\/?originalSubdomain=de\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Peter Geitz<\/strong><\/a> from Stuttgart, mentioned by Tobias<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A useful <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ZUl4M08dDeE&amp;t=27s&amp;ab_channel=BriceLi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>YouTube timelapse<\/strong><\/a> of the river renaturalisation process<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/beta.nparks.gov.sg\/visit\/parks\/park-detail\/sungei-buloh-wetland-reserve\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Sungei Buloh Wetland Reserve<\/strong><\/a> &#8211; The National Parks Board page<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>The Singapore Central Watershed Masterplan<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Useful PDF <a href=\"https:\/\/www.greendotawards.com\/submit\/upload\/2007\/large\/3-461-11_Singapore_Central_Watershed.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>summary brochure<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A general overview of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ura.gov.sg\/Corporate\/Planning\/Master-Plan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Singapore\u2019s masterplans<\/strong><\/a> from the Urban Redevelopment Authority<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>If you want to learn more about rain gardens, check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/020-belinda-hatt\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1041\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 20 with Belinda Hatt<\/a><\/strong> or <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/024-jon-hathaway\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1222\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 24 with Jon Hathaway<\/a><\/strong>, who have extensively worked on this type of technology.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.greenplan.gov.sg\/vision\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Singapore Green Plan 2030<\/strong><\/a> &#8211; Singapore is a City in a Garden &#8211; one of the greenest cities in the world<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Discussion on urban heat:<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The paper I mentioned on the temperature and humidity thresholds and Singapore\u2019s heat being threatened by the urban heat island: Mora, C., Dousset, B., Caldwell, I.R., Powell, F.E., Geronimo, R.C., Bielecki, C.R., Counsell, C.W., Dietrich, B.S., Johnston, E.T., Louis, L.V. and Lucas, M.P., 2017. Global risk of deadly heat.&nbsp;<em>Nature climate change<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>7<\/em>(7), pp.501-506. [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/nclimate3322\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We cover the impact of urban overheating on a previous episode of the podcast. Check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"965\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 16 with Mattheos Santamouris<\/a><\/strong> for some deep insights on the impact of urban overheating<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Sponge Cities in Switzerland<\/strong>, Tobias\u2019 recent publication on the topic (in German): <strong>Baur, T.,<\/strong> Schirmer-Abegg M., Brunken, T., Risi, D., Weibel, L. (2023) Die Stadt der Zukunft ist gr\u00fcn und blau &#8211; Aktuelle Entwicklungen zur Schwammstadt in der Schweiz. Korrespondenz Wasserwirtschaft 2023(16) Nr. 11.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro and Reflections on Singapore<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>5:04 Early inspiration for water in landscape design<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>9:00 Singapore&#8217;s early water management leadership<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>12:15 The ABC Waters Programme<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>15:46 The Bishan-Ang Mo Kio Park Project<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>27:20 Tobias&#8217; other projects around Singapore<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>31:58 Back in Europe and comparisons with the tropics<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>36:14 Sponge Cities in Switzerland<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>40:06 The role of the landscape architect and designer<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>42:34 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>42:54 What inspires you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>44:10 Key event, person, book<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>44:40 If you had a magic wand?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>46:16 Biggest challenge in career to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>48:20 Time management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50:00 Advice for young researchers<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>51:05 Where can people reach you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>51:36 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:02 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Tobias Baur<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/tobias-baur-20a29112\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LinkedIn<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ost.ch\/de\/person\/tobias-baur-7182\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>OST Profile Page<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"917\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/013-veljko-prodanovic\/veljko_prodanovic_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?fit=782%2C782&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"782,782\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?fit=782%2C782&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-917\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?w=782&amp;ssl=1 782w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Veljko_Prodanovic_profilepic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/013-veljko-prodanovic\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"891\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #13 &#8211; 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Mattheos Santamouris<\/a><br><strong>A \u2018hot\u2019 topic for \u2018cooler\u2019 cities \u2013 high performance architecture to combat urban overheating<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: climate adaptation, urban heat, health)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1042\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/020-belinda-hatt\/belinda_hatt_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"300,300\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1042\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic.jpg?w=300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Belinda_Hatt_Profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/022-francoise-bichai\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1210\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #20 &#8211; Belinda Hatt<\/a><br><strong>Stormwater control measures, healthy waterways, battleships and karate at the riverside camp<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: stormwater management, waterways, blue-green infrastructures)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1406\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/028-alexa-delbosc\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?fit=2054%2C2054&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2054,2054\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1647272256&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1406\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?w=2054&amp;ssl=1 2054w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/tgcpodcast_e029_alexa_delbosc_profilepic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/028-alexa-delbosc\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1405\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #28 &#8211; Alexa Delbosc<\/a><\/strong><br><strong><strong>A social psychology toolkit for changing transport planning, built environment and future mobility<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: space conflicts, mobility, urban development)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #30 From tropical Singapore to Europe &#8211; 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