{"id":1658,"date":"2025-01-05T11:08:00","date_gmt":"2025-01-05T11:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1658"},"modified":"2025-02-11T01:19:15","modified_gmt":"2025-02-11T01:19:15","slug":"039-lucas-gobatti","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/039-lucas-gobatti\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 039 &#8211; Lucas Gobatti"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"550\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/001-joao-paulo-leitao\/cover-art\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #39<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Spinoza, science, spirituality &#8211; confronting \u2018displacements\u2019 in planning urban nature, climate and heat<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Lucas Gobatti<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>February 11th, 2025<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/6U7BQxMP54U?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><strong>\u201c&#8230; I see a little bit of my work in research as a spiritual path for me as well &#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Lucas Gobatti is a PhD Researcher at ETH Zurich and the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology, Eawag. As a trained architect, civil engineer and urban planner with a love for philosophy, the outdoors and sprituality, Lucas\u2019 journey to date has been about better understanding how we can adapt cities and their societies towards better climate regulation, environmental protection and human wellbeing. His work delves into the intersection of effective urban planning in the global north and south and nature-based solutions, in particular, the links between water, vegetation and heat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Lucas and I discuss how Einstein, Spinoza and Karl Marx have profoundly affected his personal worldview and how he balances science and spirituality in his day-to-day. We uncover planning challenges and the state of nature in Brazil and dive into some key results of his early work on how we can use vegetation and water to create more liveable envionments and avoid \u2018displacing\u2019 the climate challenge.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1440\" data-attachment-id=\"1697\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/039-lucas-gobatti\/lucasgobatti_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"LucasGobatti_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1440%2C1440&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1697\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/LucasGobatti_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Lucas Gobatti is a trained architect, civil engineer and urban planner. After studying at the University of Sao Paulo, Brazil, he moved to ETH Zurich and the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology (Eawag) where he is currently pursuing a PhD in environmental engineering on the topic of urban heat mitigation and the role of blue-green infrastructures. Lucas\u2019 broad, interdisciplinary experience has allowed him to embark on numerous projects looking into the planning of more liveable cities and multi-functional infrastructures to support climate regulation, environmental protection and human wellbeing, highlighting the important role that water plays in creating sustainable cities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lucas is also a passionate outdoors person, who enjoys mountaineering, nature photography, with Zen Buddhism and samba forming part of his day-to-day life. He actively enjoys sharing his research, life and insights on social media and his own personal website.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-lucas-gobatti'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Lucas+Gobatti&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-lucas-gobatti&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>So apparently the bookmark by folding the top part of the page is called a \u2018<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dw.com\/en\/world-book-day-history-of-the-dog-ear-bookmark\/a-57311160\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>dog ear<\/strong><\/a>\u2019 bookmark or \u2018<a href=\"https:\/\/de.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eselsohr_(Lesezeichen)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>donkey ear<\/strong><\/a>\u2019 in German<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Einstein<\/strong> has many biographies, one good one is by Walter Isaacson [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Einstein-Life-Universe-Walter-Isaacson\/dp\/0743264746\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.BW2aBZA_lXX9HF221iHUMkSxTVSTZadz62moy_L887xiRV1jmA3inRHxoW4BTwBpiwW1G1-XkAnhPtUVT-0StyAf5KQEFohzr8Rx-O-GZfdND-Pds-bh9M2xk3FaYSSBeLBn9V3NeCiQPtBtsM8wrHPML_rwctJt8RakL9pmAPNzbOUCJ9V9MH8BBIyNeZZeci0nbffpdN_XnJ72u9jyxrjFoMDHZpjQzTdWTZLCkLw.nPQ3czh8mYdLgDVYdOntQ3d8-dkmLYmh7B9dHBniwcc&amp;qid=1739026344&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">View on Amazon<\/a>]\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>He obtained his PhD from the University of Zurich in 1905<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>He took up a chair in theoretical physics in 1912 at ETH Zurich<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>\u201cEthics\u201d<\/strong> by Benedictus de Spinoza [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ethics-Penguin-Classics-Benedict-Spinoza\/dp\/0140435719\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=15F71W1P14UJ6&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.LPCNTj_5elyBqyBb3n9r82I0Om6fTFh3h_BBGRx2gZamOD4EPl6ecMCJZzsMHRAtovpfI6SZla4kp9a3-xLrrYrajX5Y43leE8KLAmZq6gwUGVUPMZDzCNhPLwaBs9hdUdi41N95jnotgZlije1qJP08GGOBkZzCahp_qmpiLsB9tD7--eyrouqBdJ7NbfHkvtlZHgQjomItQDPCEQBkBAFjv09EPz_v19PFdlZLmgE.3fcKc6ZvHMzUeKTa7PFIWjfLCZORrcV2HJd0o2P_dFw&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=ethics+spinoza&amp;qid=1739026402&amp;sprefix=ethics+spin%2Caps%2C327&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">View on Amazon<\/a>], certainly on my to read list!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Zen\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Zen Buddhism<\/strong><\/a>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some key works from Karl Marx and related authors on his work:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u201cCapital\u201d by Karl Marx (3 tomes) [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Capital-Das-Kapital-Karl-Marx\/dp\/8175994142\/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3A77RMSR0ZVYS&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kpcHaZYE4G2IrzmFal7uE45XbEuYghCQ9vKcc4vS6ZpWjJKWZoD36-nkuRRLfOjFpFMLXUwwW9z5vST74P5h4HRZAWfb8YNlx7BdEQagtTKZ2Dyeir9ryY46lbLwZw1PL_5wl4Tt61d3CQSUlB3Z6cdFb0WV4inIhwWw0Y2UepreaxXPnIOtg9pUX3SOWIwTVOSytBeikxqDR-acgSY_ZHOufhPtxb646lLARvy2slor9wocWLWtLVOeuboFwm0knXcaqmt533za7HXKk_LfCcRQI4DaEDMsD7rIs7yw7-Gck_p56bXSFS3BSox6YovqBT2azhCvl8ACpljWtc1Hz5dgqYjhQhXUextuyCK2IJ9vReZ0QWjTYGAo8YoO2KMBOQypCUEStuardEXqDHBzKhwMIEdcvYaqfcrAPVV1phnGeiv3N9Hzcjn5FzpAGTGr.ThXVjgECseydhJxNLb0Lyz2W9PnvIZUuYQzj0WS1AC4&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=karl+marx&amp;qid=1739026537&amp;sprefix=karl+ma%2Caps%2C402&amp;sr=8-6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cA companion to Marx\u2019s Capital: The complete edition\u201d by David Harvey [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Companion-Marxs-Capital-Complete\/dp\/1788731549\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CZFWDSH4001Z&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3mLljfyklFlPWvhVk_oDltddRo22RGTiJbvjPGnFY-gi0yKYEdqDLsq8mANJePN1_LpEg0W-h_Qkds_bwzfNxV9XWD8YI9BZxUJVkLY2cfoCZ8mfENzQyPP4NKTKFQcBELgNlP54fDa_WiwwFGCm46nODRA7E5RWD4mAOsqwAXhWjWdWEBWhMf0fErnq9Zb60_VHGbqTVlhUnLwHU2U97fEqkGRFUuBWyYieTfEg3-4.Jry2AnI5ZFs7erMJMKvjX3_buX8w5vaf6ep7JELkbBk&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=david+harvey+capital&amp;qid=1739026704&amp;sprefix=david+harvey+capit%2Caps%2C432&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cSlow Down\u201d by Kohei Saito [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Slow-Down-Manifesto-KOHEI-SAITO\/dp\/1662602367\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3VEYW7403X345&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XrWEQHatQLNV-cV9kMu4EbwjW4xNXm5b32nhsXkIzdGgY5cyjCVpnm1RF29o1N51KFPIkXpaceW7DY-PD2Kadi5EDcCAymHJSHaFXCVWEpo_R4pJlUeZXyNcJWUXQseIve_7sZKPLxa2fasaIy513deyqp0dxwOENX6ETr7c6oQ1jGfwwQOxjgXDCYYHq9_v.QkTyhVpeFVTjaj3_spnMjhlE1ei2zOUj_0ZgelmbQ9o&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=slow+down+kohei&amp;qid=1739026435&amp;sprefix=slow+down+kohe%2Caps%2C342&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">View on Amazon<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Kohei Saito also has a commentary on Marx&#8217;s work on YouTube &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=jYAN6wliLxw&amp;ab_channel=Deterritoria\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Kohei Saito on Marx in the Anthropocene &#8211; Towards the Idea of Degrowth Communism<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lucas\u2019 <strong>Publications on Green Roofs<\/strong>:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Gobatti, L.<\/strong>, Martins, J.R.S., Pereira, M.C.S. and Leite, B.C.C., 2022. Real-time sensing and low-cost experimental setup for water quantity investigation in Nature-based Solutions.&nbsp;<em>Blue-Green Systems<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>4<\/em>(2), pp.75-88. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.2166\/bgs.2022.007\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Gobatti, L.<\/strong> and Leite, B.C.C., 2022. Vegetated roofs rainwater management experimental research in Brazil: A georeferenced exhaustive review of a continental-size country.&nbsp;<em>Cleaner Production Letters<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>3<\/em>, p.100013. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.clpl.2022.100013\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Gobatti, L.<\/strong> and Leite, B.C.C., 2023. Unmanaged vegetated roofs hydrological performance in subtropical areas: An investigation in S\u00e3o Paulo, Brazil.&nbsp;<em>Science of the Total Environment<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>874<\/em>, p.162417. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.scitotenv.2023.162417\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>More about <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%A3o_Paulo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>S\u00e3o Paulo, Brazil<\/strong><\/a>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Caipirinha\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>The Caipirinha<\/strong><\/a> (how to make one)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The studio that Lucas\u2019 supported was led by the Architecture Faculty at ETH (D-ARCH) within the <a href=\"https:\/\/klumpner.arch.ethz.ch\/about\/about-us\/team\/hubert-klumpner\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hubert Klumpner<\/a> Group<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Brasil%C3%A2ndia\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Brasilandia<\/a> District<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We refer to <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/023-markus-vogl\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1213\">Episode 23 with Markus Vogl<\/a><\/strong>, who reflects on his experience in Buenos Aires. Check out his episode for a comparison.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lucas\u2019 ongoing work on <strong>urban heat mitigation<\/strong>:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Gobatti, L.,<\/strong> Bach, P.M., Scheidegger, A. and Leit\u00e3o, J.P., 2023. Using satellite imagery to investigate Blue-Green Infrastructure establishment time for urban cooling.&nbsp;<em>Sustainable Cities and Society<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>97<\/em>, p.104768. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.scs.2023.104768\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Open Access Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/w3POJhnBW2A?si=Ud88wJv4m7urnAxO\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube Video<\/a> accompanying this work that we produced together is available on my channel<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lucas\u2019 short on the topic can be found on Nature Portfolio\u2019s YouTube Channel (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=uKFYOOkQFtA&amp;ab_channel=NaturePortfolio\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Plant a tree yesterday<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We refer to <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/035-yannick-back\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1599\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 35 with Yannick Back<\/a><\/strong> for another episode on the topic of urban heat. Check out his episode for more depth on the topic.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>All about the <a href=\"https:\/\/envi-met.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>EnviMet model<\/strong><\/a> that Lucas is actively using in his work<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>K\u00f6ppen-Geiger Climate Zones<\/strong><\/a> help us understand how different cities differ in terms of climate, here\u2019s a useful article<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Lucas\u2019 <strong>Photography Project in the Amazon<\/strong> can be seen <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lucasgobatti.com\/canaticu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">on his website<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <strong>meditation<\/strong>? [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.calm.com\/blog\/what-is-meditation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Calm Blog<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.headspace.com\/meditation-101\/what-is-meditation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Headspace<\/a>]\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>I personally use Calm, but have used Headspace in the past, two very good apps to help you get started in meditation.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>You can also check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/007-abishek-narayan\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"749\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 7 with Abishek Narayan<\/a><\/strong>, where we also discuss the topic in detail as well as the practice of Yoga.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>More on <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Samba_(Brazilian_dance)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Samba<\/a> &#8211; also check out Lucas\u2019 Instagram for some occasional reels on his Samba group!<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/ethz.ch\/staffnet\/en\/news-and-events\/internal-news\/archive\/2022\/01\/a-new-framework-for-scientific-integrity-and-good-scientific-practice.html\">ETH Guidelines<\/a> on authorship in scientific publications and general scientific integrity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>\u201cBe water, my friend\u201d &#8211; Bruce Lee<\/strong> &#8211; a nice book I read on his teachings was written by his daughter Sharon Lee with the same title [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Be-Water-My-Friend-Teachings\/dp\/1250206707\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1RU6X4Q1LFQ5J&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.C2wuH-agFhQil20Ytn92ZZxzt16EZEUzqVGmiIDj4CIzf-46pRA-FPpzmzASpuTSeGGH1MIkHclDCVO0IyZepOTb0u24gjKA75CuAGFDctMCcSZ26xd8B-BJxFIEMyMi_sNAXI8scK7DyF1vS16sWp2isZJ6bghVkuX2g0RHmcgBy9vTcRcIspuYehbRzAAKiTKA7KCBoo3svpduLZWYHdGHowdzToqd2PFjzHbiGfHJSWyRcL7lfiNM5qLf1GLNYap1PsTHPdzb91qfu2NJ4OJw9c_ZZvBD2gq6kOOwBEyaHjeAH3kSf2N3l0mb244FVMufNRJvAmxLecZcT_g2aPZfNyRbwfXqcRZtAqJJdYc4c9tlRBypyFnP_gHLpAW5p6vwQlqKCEZYdBK1bpAUDnNCAzRYo0F_pRJW09O8_obmv4SxppnjhDwj5pYBKakG.dqcpCWEJHz3UAJZgPjN-R1SHH9qxKuxmoTgCMZSK5NE&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=be+like+water+my+friend&amp;qid=1739076669&amp;sprefix=be+like+water+my+fr%2Caps%2C342&amp;sr=8-1\">View on Amazon<\/a>]\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Lucas referred to Heraclitus, a Greek philosopher [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Heraclitus\">Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro &amp; Books<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>6:38 Einstein, Spinoza, Spirituality and the Laws of Nature<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>13:20 Karl Marx, spatial inequalities and cities<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>17:28 Late Marx, Kohei Saito and the three displacements<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>21:19 Microsimulation and agents as Lucas&#8217; entry point<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>24:17 From Altruism to Green Roofs and Stormwater<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>27:23 Brazil&#8217;s Nature-based solutions Trajectory<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>30:13 Shedding light on a different planning landscape<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>35:08 Lucas&#8217; Urban Heat Research &#8211; Cooling establishment time<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>39:48 Lucas&#8217; Urban Heat Research &#8211; Role of water and irrigation<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>43:31 Experimenting with microclimate models<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>46:03 The Brasilandia District Project<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50:10 Next steps in Lucas&#8217; Research<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:10 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>52:26 What do you define as innovation?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>54:46 Key event, book, person<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>59:49 Time Management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:07:54 Favourite childhood memory<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:09:49 Biggest challenge in career to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:13:14 Advice for young professionals<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:15:37 What would you like to be remembered for?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:23:35 Where can people find you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:24:35 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:25:31 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Lucas Gobatti<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lucasgobatti.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Lucas\u2019 Personal Website<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/about-us\/portrait\/organisation\/staff\/profile\/lucas-gobatti\/show\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>University Profile Page<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/g0batti\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Instagram (@g0batti)<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/lucas-gobatti\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LinkedIn<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"620\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/002-scott-lloyd\/attachment\/1664919082199\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?fit=733%2C733&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"733,733\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"1664919082199\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?fit=733%2C733&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-620\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?w=733&amp;ssl=1 733w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/1664919082199.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/002-scott-lloyd\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"617\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #2 &#8211; Scott Lloyd<\/a><br><strong>Cohabitation and close encounters with myths in urban design<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: urban design; architecture; planning)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"966\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/matsantamouris-profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?fit=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"400,400\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"MatSantamouris-profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?fit=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-966\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?w=400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"965\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #16 &#8211; Mattheos Santamouris<\/a><br><strong>A \u2018hot\u2019 topic for \u2018cooler\u2019 cities \u2013 high performance architecture to combat urban overheating<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: urban heat; climate change; heat mitigation)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1216\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/023-markus-vogl\/markus_vogl_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?fit=620%2C620&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"620,620\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Markus_Vogl_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?fit=620%2C620&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1216\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?w=620&amp;ssl=1 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Markus_Vogl_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/023-markus-vogl\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1213\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #23 &#8211; Markus Vogl<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>To give \u2018space\u2019 \u2013 from a library to collaborative urban transformation and rethinking the architect\u2019s role<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: Latin America; informal settlements; planning; design)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1601\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/035-yannick-back\/yannick_back_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;5.6&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Julia Tuertscher&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS 5D Mark IV&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1605896636&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;BLICKFANG photographie&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;70&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.0125&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Yannick_Back_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1601\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Yannick_Back_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/035-yannick-back\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1599\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode #35 &#8211; Yannick Back<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>The answers are beyond the \u201cclouds\u201d \u2013 the water-energy link for climate adaptation in a world of data ubiquity<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: urban heat; blue-green infrastructure; satellite data)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #39 Spinoza, science, spirituality &#8211; 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