{"id":1972,"date":"2025-06-29T09:57:49","date_gmt":"2025-06-29T09:57:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=1972"},"modified":"2025-08-26T06:11:57","modified_gmt":"2025-08-26T06:11:57","slug":"048-christoph-ort","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/048-christoph-ort\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 048 &#8211; Christoph Ort"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"1870\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/cover-art-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1870\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #48<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Sewers, Drugs and Rock n&#8217; Roll &#8211; from wastewater surveillance to saving lives in the pandemic<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: Christoph Ort<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>August 26th, 2025<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mliwCLx84qs?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Introduction<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><strong>\u201c&#8230;just science alone would not have had the resource to make this big calibration experiment&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>Christoph Ort is Head of the Urban Water Management Department at the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science &amp; Technology (Eawag). Christoph\u2019s mission of understanding the dynamics of pollutants in sewer systems and close relationship with environmental chemistry and microbiology has shaped his interdisciplinary work, that is actively supporting public health. He is well-known for his work in wastewater-based surveillance, where he searches the sewer network for illicit drugs, pathogens, pharmaceuticals and other biomarkers to complement and better our understanding of their spatial and temporal trends.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s show, Christoph and I go in-depth of wastewater-based surveillance, including related fields of sewer sociology and wastewater-based epidemiology. We discuss terminology, process, interesting insights from major studies that Christoph was part of and how crucial the interdisciplinary collaboration was, especially in supporting communities with valuable data during the COVID pandemic.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1440\" data-attachment-id=\"1973\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/048-christoph-ort\/christophort_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?fit=1800%2C1800&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1800,1800\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Esther Michel&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;\\u00a9 Esther Michel&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"ChristophOrt_ProfilePic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=1440%2C1440&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1973\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?w=1800&amp;ssl=1 1800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/ChristophOrt_ProfilePic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Christoph Ort is a global leader in environmental engineering and wastewater-based epidemiology, currently serving as Head of the Department of Urban Water Management at Eawag in Switzerland. He completed his PhD dissertation at ETH Zurich in 2006. He spent some time of his research career in Brisbane Australia (2008-2010) before returning in 2011 to continue his work at Eawag. His research philosophy centers on viewing wastewater as one of the most information-rich waste streams of our society, combining full-scale measurements, modeling, and laboratory experiments to unlock insights into pollutant dynamics and environmental variables. During the COVID-19 pandemic, his pioneering work gained international recognition as he co-led Switzerland&#8217;s national wastewater monitoring program for SARS-CoV-2, developing groundbreaking methodologies including the COJAC method for detecting viral variants in wastewater.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Christoph\u2019s scholarly contributions span over 134 publications in environmental science and public health surveillance, with more than 11,000 citations. His research portfolio encompasses wastewater-based epidemiology, micropollutant tracking of pharmaceuticals and illicit drugs, environmental chemistry, and urban water management systems. His foundational work in illicit drug monitoring through wastewater analysis helped establish standardized methodologies for multi-country collaborative studies across European cities, while his team has developed transportable high-resolution mass spectrometry platforms and sensor networks that provide real-time water quality insights. His methodological innovations have global applications in environmental health monitoring and continue to influence public health policies worldwide.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-christoph-ort'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=Christoph+Ort&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-christoph-ort&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The <strong>episode title<\/strong> is a play on the phrase: Sex, Drugs &amp; Rock n&#8217; Roll &#8211; which originated in the 1969. Read about the history of this phrase as a part of our human cultural history in a very interesting <a href=\"https:\/\/mightaswellblogaboutitwordpresscom.wordpress.com\/2018\/12\/31\/r-i-p-sex-drugs-and-rock-roll\/#:~:text=The%20phrase%20%E2%80%9CSex%2C%20Drugs%20and,expression%20in%20the%20song%20title.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>blog article<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some photos of our props &#8211; the slogan on my T-Shirt with the bicycle and our PhD Theses<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-attachment-id=\"2070\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/048-christoph-ort\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?fit=1440%2C1080&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1440,1080\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1755855310&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" data-id=\"2070\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2070\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=465%2C349&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?resize=667%2C500&amp;ssl=1 667w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img0.jpg?w=1440&amp;ssl=1 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The Bicycle T-Shirt<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-attachment-id=\"2068\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/048-christoph-ort\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?fit=1440%2C1080&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1440,1080\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1751470587&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" data-id=\"2068\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2068\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=465%2C349&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?resize=667%2C500&amp;ssl=1 667w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img1.jpg?w=1440&amp;ssl=1 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Our PhD Theses &#8211; mine (left) and Christoph&#8217;s (right)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" data-attachment-id=\"2069\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/048-christoph-ort\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?fit=1440%2C1080&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1440,1080\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1751470593&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?fit=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" data-id=\"2069\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2069\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=465%2C349&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?resize=667%2C500&amp;ssl=1 667w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/tgcpodcast_e048_christoph_ort_img2.jpg?w=1440&amp;ssl=1 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A thickness comparison of our theses<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Lena Mutzner<\/strong> was previously on the show in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/045-lena-mutzner\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1792\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 45<\/a><\/strong> &#8211; check out her Episode to hear about her work<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The department that Christoph studied at ETH Zurich is now called the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/baug.ethz.ch\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Department of Civil, Environmental and Geomatic Engineering<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What are <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Benzotriazole\">Benzotriazoles<\/a><\/strong>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>For a <strong>101 on sampling<\/strong>, definitely check out Lena Mutzner&#8217;s episode, where we go deep into the topic of water quality monitoring<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Christoph&#8217;s &#8220;Provocative&#8221; Paper:<\/strong> Ort, C., Lawrence, M.G., Rieckermann, J. and Joss, A., 2010. Sampling for pharmaceuticals and personal care products (PPCPs) and illicit drugs in wastewater systems: are your conclusions valid? A critical review.&nbsp;<em>Environmental science &amp; technology<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>44<\/em>(16), pp.6024-6035. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/es100779n\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Wastewater-based epidemiology \/ surveillance &amp; Sewer Sociology:<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>What are these fields about? [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/department\/sww\/projects\/wbe\/\"><strong>Eawag<\/strong><\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/topics\/earth-and-planetary-sciences\/wastewater-based-epidemiology\"><strong>ScienceDirect<\/strong><\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A bit of history on this field: Kasprzyk-Hordern, B., Bijlsma, L., Castiglioni, S., Covaci, A., de Voogt, P., Emke, E., Hernandez, F., <strong>Ort, C., <\/strong>Reid, M., van Nuijs, A. and Thomas, K.V., 2014. Wastewater-based epidemiology\u2013the concept and historical perspectives.&nbsp;<em>Environmental Industry Magazine<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>33<\/em>, pp.145-151. [<a href=\"https:\/\/researchportal.bath.ac.uk\/en\/publications\/wastewater-based-epidemiology-the-concept-and-historical-perspect\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We refer to Ana Deletic, who has been on the show in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/009-ana-deletic\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"789\">Episode 9<\/a><\/strong>, you an check out her episode for related topics<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What are <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/High-performance_liquid_chromatography\">liquid chromatography<\/a><\/strong> and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mass_spectrometry\"><strong>mass spectrometry<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Christoph&#8217;s papers on <strong>illicit drug detection in wastewater<\/strong>:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Ort, C., <\/strong>van Nuijs, A.L., Berset, J.D., Bijlsma, L., Castiglioni, S., Covaci, A., de Voogt, P., Emke, E., Fatta\u2010Kassinos, D., Griffiths, P. and Hern\u00e1ndez, F., 2014. Spatial differences and temporal changes in illicit drug use in E urope quantified by wastewater analysis.&nbsp;<em>Addiction<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>109<\/em>(8), pp.1338-1352. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1111\/add.12570\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Ort, C., <\/strong>Eppler, J.M., Scheidegger, A., Rieckermann, J., Kinzig, M. and S\u00f6rgel, F., 2014. Challenges of surveying wastewater drug loads of small populations and generalizable aspects on optimizing monitoring design.&nbsp;<em>Addiction<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>109<\/em>(3), pp.472-481. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1111\/add.12405\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>At a music festival: <\/strong>Lai, F.Y., Thai, P.K., O&#8217;Brien, J., Gartner, C., Bruno, R., Kele, B., Ort, C., Prichard, J., Kirkbride, P., Hall, W. and Carter, S., 2013. Using quantitative wastewater analysis to measure daily usage of conventional and emerging illicit drugs at an annual music festival.&nbsp;<em>Drug and alcohol review<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>32<\/em>(6), pp.594-602. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1111\/dar.12061\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>A bit on the methods:<\/strong> Hern\u00e1ndez, F., Castiglioni, S., Covaci, A., de Voogt, P., Emke, E., Kasprzyk\u2010Hordern, B., <strong>Ort, C., <\/strong>Reid, M., Sancho, J.V., Thomas, K.V. and van Nuijs, A.L., 2018. Mass spectrometric strategies for the investigation of biomarkers of illicit drug use in wastewater.&nbsp;<em>Mass spectrometry reviews<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>37<\/em>(3), pp.258-280. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1002\/mas.21525\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Thomas, K.V., Bijlsma, L., Castiglioni, S., Covaci, A., Emke, E., Grabic, R., Hern\u00e1ndez, F., Karolak, S., Kasprzyk-Hordern, B., Lindberg, R.H. and de Alda, M.L., Meierjohann, A., <strong>Ort, C., <\/strong>Pico, Y., Quintana, J. B., Reid, M., Rieckermann, J., Terzic, S., van Nuijs, A. L. N., de Voogt, P. 2012. Comparing illicit drug use in 19 European cities through sewage analysis.&nbsp;<em>Science of the total environment<\/em>,&nbsp;<em>432<\/em>, pp.432-439. [<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.scitotenv.2012.06.069\">Link<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>COVID Pandemic:<\/strong>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Christoph&#8217;s Interview <\/strong>on Swiss TV during the COVID [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.srf.ch\/play\/tv\/news-clip\/video\/christoph-ort-eawag-sehen-eine-aehnliche-entwicklung?urn=urn:srf:video:3f2067bd-135a-4c63-a957-e1d50462c7d0\">SRF<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>An overview of the <strong>COVID Pandemic in Switzerland <\/strong>[<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Switzerland\">Wikipedia<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.idd.bag.admin.ch\/diseases\/covid\/overview\">Dashboard<\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>More about <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/about-us\/portrait\/organisation\/staff\/profile\/joerg-rieckermann\/show\/\">J\u00f6rg Rieckermann<\/a><\/strong> (Eawag) and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/about-us\/portrait\/organisation\/staff\/profile\/tim-julian\/show\/\">Tim Julian<\/a><\/strong> (Eawag) and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/people.epfl.ch\/tamar.kohn?lang=en\">Tamar Kohn <\/a><\/strong>(EPFL)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <strong>Federal Office of Health in Switzerland<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bag.admin.ch\/en\">BAG<\/a>]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/department\/sww\/projects\/ms2field\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>MS2Field system<\/strong><\/a> &#8211; also previously mentioned on <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/010-daniele-la-cecilia\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"797\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Episode 10 with Daniele la Cecilia<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/overdose-prevention\/about\/understanding-the-opioid-overdose-epidemic.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Opioid Crisis<\/strong><\/a>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The epidemic law in Switzerland\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fedlex.admin.ch\/eli\/cc\/2015\/297\/en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Federal Act<\/strong><\/a> on controlling communicable human diseases<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Switzerland plans for improved pandemic protection <strong>[<a href=\"https:\/\/www.swissinfo.ch\/eng\/various\/federal-council-wants-to-better-protect-the-population-from-future-pandemics\/89867087\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">SwissInfo<\/a>]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some festivals in Switzerland\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Montreux Jazz Festival [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.montreuxjazzfestival.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Official Website<\/a>]<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Geneva International Motor Show<\/strong> [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Geneva_International_Motor_Show\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Wikipedia<\/strong><\/a>]<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>WEF in Davos [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.weforum.org\/?gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=22228224717&amp;gbraid=0AAAAAoVy5F4hxc2tsshUstn1etzp_0iRb&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw8KrFBhDUARIsAMvIApaxGfrpGDfxk7obPDWjH6-xBPnqu0tvO9yWckgM7kH5sKyircGxRysaApXvEALw_wcB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Official Website<\/a>]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/mmwr\/preview\/mmwrhtml\/su5301a3.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>syndromic surveillance<\/strong><\/a>?\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nhs.uk\/medicines\/fexofenadine\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Fexofenadine<\/strong><\/a> antihistamine<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Stephan Baumgartner\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/en\/about-us\/portrait\/organisation\/staff\/profile\/stephan-baumgartner\/show\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eawag Profile<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What are <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Taxus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Yews (Taxus)<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/rockhall.com\/inductees\/bee-gees\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>BeeGees<\/strong><\/a> are in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame and so are the <a href=\"https:\/\/rockhall.com\/inductees\/beach-boys\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Beach Boys<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some German Idioms:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>&#8220;Ein gefundenes Fressen&#8221; meaning &#8220;to play into someone&#8217;s hands&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Stetter Tropfen h\u00f6hlt den Stein&#8221; translated to &#8220;constant dripping wears away the stone&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro and a discussion around two props<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>8:37 Getting into Christoph&#8217;s story &#8211; culture engineering<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>12:07 The PhD &#8211; Dynamics of sewers and micropollutants<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>19:48 Introducing wastewater based epidemiology or surveillance<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>21:21 Terminology around WWBE and sewer sociology<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>23:44 Detecting illicit drugs in sewer systems<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>26:57 Briefly &#8211; how to detect using analytical chemistry methods<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>32:17 Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 during the pandemic<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>39:30 The MS2Field &#8211; A mobile lab in a trailer<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>41:30 His vision, the institutional context and where is Christoph heading<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>45:25 The future of wastewater-based surveillance<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>46:48 Syndromic surveillance &#8211; the indirect but powerful alternative<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>51:26 Rock n&#8217; Roll?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>56:08 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>56:25 What does innovation mean to you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>58:56 Key event, person, book<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:00:42 Time Management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:03:20 Favourite Childhood Memory<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:04:33 Biggest challenge in career to date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:05:55 Advice for young researchers<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:07:39 What would you most like to be remembered for?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:08:30 Where can people find you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:09:19 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:09:38 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with Christoph Ort<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/christoph-ort-198b2910\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eawag.ch\/de\/ueber-uns\/portraet\/organisation\/mitarbeitende\/profile\/christoph-ort\/show\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eawag Profile Page<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=8_jTFBgAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Google Scholar<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/profile\/Christoph-Ort\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ResearchGate<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"710\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/005-peter-vanrolleghem\/peterv12\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?fit=438%2C438&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"438,438\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"peterv12\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?fit=438%2C438&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-710\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?w=438&amp;ssl=1 438w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/peterv12.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/005-peter-vanrolleghem\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"688\"><strong>Episode #5 &#8211; Peter Vanrolleghem<\/strong><\/a><br><strong><strong>Like wastewater for chocolate, control, serendipity and digital twins<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: wastewater, monitoring, water quality, process dynamics)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"793\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/009-ana-deletic\/ana_profile\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?fit=700%2C700&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"700,700\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"ana_profile\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?fit=700%2C700&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-793\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?w=700&amp;ssl=1 700w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/ana_profile.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/009-ana-deletic\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"789\">Episode #9 &#8211; Ana Deletic<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>From first flush and manholes to pendulums of stormwater, engineering and life<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: water quality, process dynamics, pollution, Australia)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"818\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/010-daniele-la-cecilia\/daniele_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?fit=441%2C441&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"441,441\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Daniele_Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?fit=441%2C441&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-818\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?w=441&amp;ssl=1 441w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Daniele_Profilepic.jpeg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/010-daniele-la-cecilia\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"797\">Episode #10 &#8211; Daniele la Cecilia<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>Backyard balsamic vinegar, a pizza oven and technological progress in agriculture<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: The MS2Field System, water quality, pollution)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" data-attachment-id=\"1932\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/045-lena-mutzner\/lena-mutzner-_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;max.maurer@eawag.ch&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS R6m2&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1701339169&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;1600&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Lena Mutzner _Profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-1932\" style=\"width: 100px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=100%2C100&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Lena-Mutzner-_Profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/042-mashael-yazdanie\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"1784\">Episode #45 &#8211; Lena Mutzner<\/a><\/strong><br><strong><strong>\u201cA list that keeps getting longer\u201d \u2013 understanding pollutants of emerging concern for healthier aquatic environments<\/strong><\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: water quality, micropollutants, sewer dynamics, bicycles )<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #48 Sewers, Drugs and Rock n&#8217; 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