{"id":2427,"date":"2026-05-03T20:00:16","date_gmt":"2026-05-03T20:00:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/?page_id=2427"},"modified":"2026-06-22T20:11:47","modified_gmt":"2026-06-22T20:11:47","slug":"065-david-gottfried","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/065-david-gottfried\/","title":{"rendered":"TGC Podcast Episode 065 &#8211; David Gottfried"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0;flex-basis:280px\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" data-attachment-id=\"1870\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/cover-art-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2560&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cover-Art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1870\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Cover-Art-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #65<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The father of the green building says &#8216;it&#8217;s not enough&#8217; &#8211; from LEED to regeneration and from human to humane<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Guest: David Gottfried<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>June 23rd, 2026<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Overview<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>What if the system you spent four decades building turned out to not be enough? That is the question David Gottfried sits with in this episode, and he is unusually qualified to ask it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>David is the father of the global green building movement. He founded the U.S. Green Building Council and the World Green Building Council, and helped create LEED, the rating system now used across more than 180 countries and tied to a trillion-dollar green economy. And yet, as an engineer who hates waste, he is the first to point out that the curve has not bent far enough. Carbon keeps climbing. We are, in his words, turning a giant ship towards the iceberg and congratulating ourselves for putting solar on the deck.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The conversation opens with a plain-English 101 on what actually makes a building green, from orientation and glazing to greywater, healthy materials and the LEED point system. From there, David traces how a white paper became a global standard, and why he now believes the real work is a shift from sustainability to regeneration, and from human to humane. He introduces HOPE (Health On Planet Earth) and makes the case that we have been keeping score on the wrong board. It connects naturally with our conversation in <a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/042-mashael-yazdanie\/\">Episode 42 with Mashael Yazdanie<\/a> on planning for sufficiency rather than endless growth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is also a personal story. A Stanford engineer who read Siddhartha every birthday and came to see himself as the ferryman who helps people across the river. A developer who lost a building in the early-90s crash and went looking for purpose. A man who took up kung fu in his late fifties, fly fishes in creeks, and turned 2,400 pages of dog-walk voice notes into a book using AI as a thinking partner, echoing the idea of AI as a mirror we explored in <a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/059-galina-yordanova\/\">Episode 59 with Galina Yordanova<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Find David at regen360.net and look out for his new book Regen360 out in October 2026!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Teaser<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1440\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/iSJFhg9_1vQ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-AU&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The father of the green building movement says greening our buildings was only step one. In this episode, David Gottfried makes the case for moving from sustainability to regeneration, and from human to humane. A conversation that runs from LEED and trillion-dollar economies to kung fu, Siddhartha and a new scoreboard called HOPE.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-medium-font-size\"><strong>\u201c&#8230;Even with this fabulous Green Building marketplace [&#8230;] our slope is steady! Straight up!&#8230;\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:80%\">\n<p>David Gottfried is widely regarded as the father of the global green building movement. A Stanford-trained engineer with a degree in Engineering and Resource Management, he began his career as a real estate developer in Washington D.C. during the 1980s, before a property market crash in the early 1990s prompted a change of direction. In 1992 he founded the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC), launched in 1993, and went on to help create LEED, the rating system that became the United States&#8217; working definition of a green building and is now used across more than 180 countries. In 1998 he founded the World Green Building Council, seeding a network of national councils that now spans more than 85 countries. He is a four-time author whose books include Greed to Green, Greening My Life and the award-winning Explosion Green.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Today David is founder and CEO of Regen360, where he is working to move the conversation from sustainability to regeneration. His forthcoming book sets out an &#8220;operating system&#8221; for a regenerative future, built around a measure he calls HOPE, or Health On Planet Earth, and the idea of shifting from human to humane. Away from his work he is a late-blooming kung fu student, a lifelong fly fisher, a painter of nature-based abstracts, and an enthusiastic user of AI as a thinking partner. His outlook is shaped by Hermann Hesse&#8217;s Siddhartha, a book he has returned to every year since university, and by his late father, whose desk paperweight reads &#8220;Do not confuse effort with results.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1440\" data-attachment-id=\"2501\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/065-david-gottfried\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?fit=1705%2C1705&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1705,1705\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;1.64&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone 16e&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1768405998&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;4.2&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.025&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=1440%2C1440&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"David Gottfried, founder of the U.S. and World Green Building Councils, father of the green building movement, CEO of Regen360 on The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode 65\" class=\"wp-image-2501\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?w=1705&amp;ssl=1 1705w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/tgcpodcast_e065_david_gottfried_profilepic.jpeg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div id='buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-david-gottfried'><\/div><script type='text\/javascript' charset='utf-8' src='https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2083595.js?artist=David+Gottfried&#038;container_id=buzzsprout-small-player-limit-5-artist-david-gottfried&#038;limit=5&#038;player=small'><\/script>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quick Summary &amp; Highlights<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>What green building actually means, explained simply, from building envelope and orientation to greywater, healthy materials and recycled content. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>How the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usgbc.org\/leed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LEED rating system<\/a> and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usgbc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">U.S. Green Building Council<\/a> turned a single white paper into a global standard now used in 180+ countries. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Why decades of progress have not bent the carbon curve, and what David thinks we are still missing. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The move from sustainability to regeneration, the idea of going from &#8220;human to humane&#8221;, and a proposed new scoreboard he calls HOPE (Health On Planet Earth). <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A candid look at using AI as a genuine thinking partner, from 2,400 pages of voice notes to a finished book. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The personal thread tying it together: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Siddhartha-Hermann-Hesse\/dp\/0553208845\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hermann Hesse&#8217;s Siddhartha<\/a>, kung fu, fly fishing, and the lessons of a demanding father.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Related to the Episode<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">People &amp; organisations<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/regen360.net\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Regen360<\/a>: David&#8217;s current company and the name of his forthcoming book.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.usgbc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC)<\/a>: the non-profit David founded in 1992.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/worldgbc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">World Green Building Council<\/a>: the global network David founded in 1998.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.usgbc.org\/leed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LEED rating system<\/a>: Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rick_Fedrizzi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Rick Fedrizzi<\/a>: USGBC co-founder and founding chair, mentioned by David.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/David_Brower\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">David Brower<\/a>: conservationist and mentor, founder of Friends of the Earth, Earth Island Institute and the League of Conservation Voters, and first executive director of the Sierra Club.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ray_Anderson_(entrepreneur)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ray Anderson<\/a>: Interface founder, the &#8220;power of one&#8221; talk.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Arthur_Gensler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Arthur Gensler<\/a>: founder of the Gensler architecture firm, who challenged David on LEED&#8217;s purity.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Buckminster_Fuller\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Buckminster Fuller<\/a>: referenced on technology and abundance.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Other green building rating systems mentioned<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/breeam.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">BREEAM<\/a> (United Kingdom): the system that informed LEED.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ibec.or.jp\/CASBEE\/english\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">CASBEE<\/a> (Japan).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www1.bca.gov.sg\/buildsg\/sustainability\/green-mark-certification-scheme\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Green Mark<\/a> (Singapore).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Books<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Siddhartha-Hermann-Hesse\/dp\/0553208845\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse<\/a>: the book David rereads every year.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Greed-Green-Transformation-Industry-Life\/dp\/0974432601\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Greed to Green by David Gottfried<\/a>: his first memoir.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Explosion-Green-Journey-Largest-Industry\/dp\/1630470228\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Explosion Green by David Gottfried<\/a>: his award-winning third book.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Cradle-Remaking-Way-We-Make\/dp\/0865475873\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Cradle to Cradle by William McDonough and Michael Braungart<\/a>: referenced on circularity and zero waste.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>You can preorder David&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/regen360.net\/books\/regen360\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">new book<\/a> <strong>Regen360: An Operating System for a Regenerative Earth<\/strong> from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.barnesandnoble.com\/w\/regen-360-david-gottfried\/1150108833?ean=9798895741368\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Barnes &amp; Noble<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/B0GX57GRGY?ref=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_XRDHV4S1AXNJSJZ0TJV7&amp;ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_XRDHV4S1AXNJSJZ0TJV7&amp;social_share=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_XRDHV4S1AXNJSJZ0TJV7&amp;bestFormat=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Amazon<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Concepts &amp; other references<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.greenbuildexpo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Greenbuild International Conference and Expo<\/a>: where David will launch his new book.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anno_2070\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Anno 2070<\/a>: the climate-themed city builder Peter mentions.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/gml.noaa.gov\/ccgg\/trends\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (current readings)<\/a>: context for David&#8217;s reference to 422 ppm versus the 350 ppm target.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Chapters<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary>(Chapters are embedded in the episode for quick access, click this to expand and view all chapters and time stamps)<\/summary>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>0:00 Intro<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:59 Guest Intro, Kung Fu &amp; Fly Fishing<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>9:34 A 101 on Green Buildings\u2026<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>16:11 &#8230;and a 101 on the LEED System<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>18:45 Why study engineering?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>20:40 Siddartha&#8217;s Influence on David<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>26:43 Origins of the Green Building Movement<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>42:06 Green Buildings aren&#8217;t enough<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50:57 Pushing the needle and finding the correct metrics<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:01:37 A true Human-AI collaboration<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:10:07 David&#8217;s Hope and Future Vision<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:12:14 Q&amp;A Start<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:12:28 What does innovation mean to you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:15:28 Key Event, Book, Person<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:20:13 Time Management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:24:58 Favourite childhood memory<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:27:57 Greatest Challenge to Date<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:33:04 Advice for young professionals<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:36:16 What would you most like to be remembered for?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:37:01 Where can people find you?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:38:42 Final Message<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1:39:29 Outro<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Connect with David Gottfried<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/david-gottfried-75835a2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/regen360.net\/\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/regen360.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Regen360<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related Episodes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-attachment-id=\"966\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/matsantamouris-profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?fit=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"400,400\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"MatSantamouris-profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?fit=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-966\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?w=400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/MatSantamouris-profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/016-mattheos-santamouris\/\" type=\"page\" id=\"965\">Episode #16 &#8211; 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Mashael Yazdanie<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>&#8220;Doing the right things the right way&#8221; &#8211; how to holistically plan for sufficiency and renewable energy<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: sufficiency vs. efficiency, renewable energy, decarbonization)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><tr><td class=\"has-text-align-center\" data-align=\"center\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-attachment-id=\"2316\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/059-galina-yordanova\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?fit=600%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"600,600\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?fit=600%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-2316\" style=\"width: 150px;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Galina Yordanova headshot \u2014 Founder and Chief Awakening Officer of Awakenomy, human consciousness and organizational development expert based in Switzerland\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e060_galina_yordanova_profilepic.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/059-galina-yordanova\/\" type=\"page\" id=\"2315\">Episode #59 &#8211; 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Tyson headshot \u2013 Founder of Eco Systems, environmental consultant and circular economy specialist based in Bangkok, Thailand\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C465&amp;ssl=1 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/petermbach.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/tgcpodcast_e061_richard_tyson_profilepic-scaled.jpg?resize=500%2C500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/td><td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/petermbach.com\/index.php\/podcast\/061-richard-tyson\/\" type=\"page\" id=\"2321\">Episode #61 &#8211; Richard C. Tyson<\/a><\/strong><br><strong>Valuing food waste and greening &#8211; the experience in delivering technology and tools to close the carbon and water cycles<\/strong><br><em>(Related Topics: waste management, resource valorization, circular economy)<\/em><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credits<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Hosted by Peter Marcus Bach, follow me on: <strong>X:<\/strong> @petermbach, <strong>Instagram:<\/strong> @petermbach87 or subscribe to my channel on <strong>YouTube: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.youtube.com\/c\/PeterMarcusBach\/<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Intro\/Outro Song:<\/strong> \u2018Starsky\u2019 by Alex Keren (Check out more of his tunes over on Spotify:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/balloon-planet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/5vZ3lENfDLjkln8scBJ8mW<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Grand Challengers Podcast Episode #65 The father of the green building says &#8216;it&#8217;s not enough&#8217; &#8211; from LEED to regeneration and from human to humane Guest: David Gottfried June 23rd, 2026 Overview What if the system you spent four decades building turned out to not be enough? 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